How to Show F is an Isomorphism for Polynomial Vectors?

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The discussion revolves around the vector space V = P2(R), which consists of polynomials of degree less than 2. Participants are examining the mapping F defined by F(P(x)) = P'(x) + P(x) and are tasked with demonstrating that F is an isomorphism from V into V.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the linearity of F and the need to show that the kernel of F is {0}. There is confusion regarding the terminology of "order" versus "degree" of polynomials. Some participants suggest methods for solving the equation P'(x) + P(x) = 0, while others emphasize the implications of polynomial properties.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the kernel and the implications of finding that it only contains the zero polynomial. There are various interpretations of the problem setup, and some participants are exploring the existence of an inverse mapping F^-1.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted ambiguity in the definition of the vector space, with some participants clarifying that it should refer to polynomials of degree less than or equal to 2. The discussion also highlights the constraints of working within polynomial functions, particularly in relation to the solution of the differential equation presented.

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Homework Statement


Let V = P2(R) be the vector space of all polynomials P : R −> R that have order less
than 2. We consider the mapping F : V −> V defined for all P belonging to V , by

F(P(x)) = P'(x)+P(x) where
P'(x) denotes the first derivative of the polynomial P.

Question is: Show that F is an isomorphism from V into V

The Attempt at a Solution



So first I showed that F is a linear operator. Now I have to show Ker F={0}
However, when I start to solve the equation, I get lost at solving
P'(x) + P(x) = 0

I know this is a basic first order linear equation, can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks!
 
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simpledude said:

Homework Statement


Let V = P2(R) be the vector space of all polynomials P : R −> R that have order less
than 2.
Do you mean degree? I don't know what you mean by the order of a polynomial. If you mean degree, then P2 is just the functions of the form p(x)= ax+ b.

We consider the mapping F : V −> V defined for all P belonging to V , by

F(P(x)) = P'(x)+P(x) where
P'(x) denotes the first derivative of the polynomial P.

Question is: Show that F is an isomorphism from V into V

The Attempt at a Solution



So first I showed that F is a linear operator. Now I have to show Ker F={0}
However, when I start to solve the equation, I get lost at solving
P'(x) + P(x) = 0

I know this is a basic first order linear equation, can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks!
Not only is it a basic equation, it is even more basic applied to P2!
F(ax+ b)= (ax+b)'+ (ax+b)= ax+ (a+b). If F(ax+b)= ax+ (a+b)= 0 for all x, then a= 0 and a+b= 0. What does that tell you?
 
first, i think mean to say degree and not order
second, are you sure you don't mean, P_2(R) is the vector space of all polynomials of degree at most 2?

Let's assume this is what is meant.

so you have,

F(P(x)) = P'(x) + P(x).

so suppose F(P(x)) = 0, so
P'(x) + P(x) = 0, and this where you are stuck.{1, x, x^2} is a basis for P_2(R), so we can write P(x) = a + bx + cx^2 for some a, b, c in R.Now plug P(x) into P'(x) + P(x) = 0, and "equate the coefficients", you should get that a = b = c = 0, so P(x) = 0

edit: woops halls posted just as I did, i'll leave mine though just incase hehe
 
Yes I did mean degree, sorry that's how we refer to it in our class :)

Why can't I just solve P'(x) + P(x) = 0 for p(x) explicitly?
Then get something of the form p(x) = A e^-x ?
 
simpledude said:
Yes I did mean degree, sorry that's how we refer to it in our class :)

Why can't I just solve P'(x) + P(x) = 0 for p(x) explicitly?
Then get something of the form p(x) = A e^-x ?

P is a polynomial remember.
 
Ah! Thanks Dan, working it out now :)
 
Ok so I got a0 = a1 = a2 = 0
(I used that instead of a,b,c)

So can I say, since the only way to obtain {0} with this equation is
by a0=a1=a2=0, we see that F is indeed nonsingular?
 
simpledude said:
Ok so I got a0 = a1 = a2 = 0
(I used that instead of a,b,c)

So can I say, since the only way to obtain {0} with this equation is
by a0=a1=a2=0, we see that F is indeed nonsingular?

a_0 = a_1 = a_2 = 0, means P(x) = 0, so kerF = {0}, so F is injective, then it surjective because ...(i'll let you fill this in)...


Also, i guess P_2(R) was suppose to be all polys with degree <= 2 and not < 2? Make sure to check this because if it is < 2 as you say, then do as halls did.
 
Yeah, I just cleared it up, it is degree < 2.
The approach is the same, so thanks Halls/Dan.
I am having some issues with another part of the question, which asks to find an inverse mapping F^-1

I understand that since F is nonsingular we can find F^-1 : V-->V
Furthermore, since the dimensions of V and V are the same, F^-1 does exist.
So that's F^-1 ( P'(x) + P(x) ) = P(x)However how can I find the actual mapping?
EDIT: What I got so far is that F^-1 ( P'(x) + P(x) ) = P(x) can be written as
F^-1(a0 + a1 + a1x) = a0+a1x
 
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Ok so you need to find F^-1, let's call it G.

So when you get a problem like this and you really can't figure out how to solve for the inverse, always remember this fact.
G is the inverse of F means GF = i_d and FG = i_d , where i_d is the identity map, ie, i_d:V->V is the linear transformation given by i_d(ax + b) = ax + b.

So let's work backwards by assuming we already have found G = F^-1. So we have that,

G(F(ax + b)) = ax + b, and
F(G(ax + b)) = ax + b, let's work with this one, so
we need G such that

F(G(ax + b)) = ax + b. We want to find G, assume G(ax + b) = cx + d. Now write out what this means F(G(ax + b)) = ax + b and solve for c and d in terms of a and b and you have G.

Then check that
G(F(ax + b)) = ax + b
F(G(ax + b)) = ax + b

with the G you have found to make sure your answer is correct.
 
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Hi Dan, thanks for the last post.

So I worked on the problem this morning, and when I get to the part
F(G(a+bx)) = a+bx

Assuming G(a+bx)=c+dx

We can write this as F(c+dx) = a + bx

So now is where I get lost, since if I solve for cx + d = a + bx
I just get c = b and d=a ...

How can I write c and d in terms of a and b?
 

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