How to Solve a System of Equations Without Using Matrices?

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The problem involves solving a system of three linear equations with three variables (a, b, and c) without using matrices. The equations presented are structured in a way that suggests a need for elimination or substitution methods to find the values of the variables.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the equations to reach row echelon form but expresses uncertainty about the process. They explore subtracting multiples of equations to eliminate variables.
  • Another participant suggests dividing the first equation and using it to eliminate terms in the subsequent equations, indicating a step-by-step elimination approach.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of eliminating certain terms and the potential reintroduction of variables, highlighting the complexity of the manipulation required.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various methods to manipulate the equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the elimination process, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are constrained by the requirement to avoid matrix methods, which influences their approach to solving the system of equations. There is also a focus on maintaining clarity in variable elimination without losing track of the relationships between the variables.

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Homework Statement



Solve for a, b, and c.

4c+6b+14a=25
6c+14b+36a=21
14c+36b+98a=105

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I need to solve this without using matrices.

The easiest way would be to get it into row echelon form and back-substitute. However, I'm not sure how you can get this system of equations into row echelon form.

I can subtract 6 times the first equation from the third equation:

14c+36b+48a=105
- 24c+36b+84a=150
------------------------
-10c+0b+14a=-45

so you get:

-10c+0b+14a=-45
6c+14b+36a=21
14c+36b+98a=105

Next the only thing you could do would be subtract 7 times the first equation from the third equation, but if you did that you would be getting rid of the a term but reintroducing the b term which I just eliminated.

How do you get this into Row Echelon form to solve?
 
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First step is divide the first equation by 4. Then subtract appropriate multiples of it from the second and third rows to eliminate the c's from them.

Then divide the second equation by whatever you need to get the coefficient of b = 1 and subtract appropriate multiples of it to eliminate the b's in the other equations. This won't affect the c terms. Continue this process.
 
Thanks! Now I understand.
 
themadhatter1 said:

Homework Statement



Solve for a, b, and c.

4c+6b+14a=25
6c+14b+36a=21
14c+36b+98a=105

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I need to solve this without using matrices.

The easiest way would be to get it into row echelon form and back-substitute. However, I'm not sure how you can get this system of equations into row echelon form.

I can subtract 6 times the first equation from the third equation:

14c+36b+48a=105
- 24c+36b+84a=150
------------------------
-10c+0b+14a=-45

so you get:

-10c+0b+14a=-45
6c+14b+36a=21
14c+36b+98a=105

Next the only thing you could do would be subtract 7 times the first equation from the third equation, but if you did that you would be getting rid of the a term but reintroducing the b term which I just eliminated.

How do you get this into Row Echelon form to solve?
Hold off with that new first equation until you have eliminated b from the other two. 14= 2(7) and 36= 4(9)= 2(2)(3)(3) so multiplying 14 by 18 gives 252 as does multiplying 36 by 7: multiply the second equation by 18 and the third equation by 7 and subtract. That will eliminate b again and now you have two equations in a and c. Combine them to eliminate one of those.
 

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