Solving a system of equations .

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The problem involves solving a system of three equations with three variables, specifically focusing on the relationships between the variables x, y, and z. The equations are nonlinear and involve products of the variables.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss various methods for solving the system, including expanding the equations and manipulating them to form linear relationships. Some express uncertainty about their approaches and seek simpler methods.

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Several participants have offered hints and alternative methods for approaching the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of different strategies, with some participants expressing confusion and seeking clarification on the methods suggested.

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Some participants mention feeling overwhelmed by the arithmetic involved and question the efficiency of their methods. There is also a discussion about the implications of assuming non-zero values for the variables.

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Homework Statement



Solve simultaneously:
6(x + y) = 5xy,
21(y + z) = 10yz,
14(z + x) = 9zx

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The Attempt at a Solution


Obviously one of the solution is (0,0,0) But I'm more interested in finding the other.
Expanding these three equations , I get -
6x+6y=5xy
21y+21z=10yz
14z+14x=9zx

But what now? I've no experience solving these type of systems . Please give hints.
 
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Multiply each equation by the unknown which doesn't appear in it so that the right hand side of each equation is then a multiple of xyz. You can then eliminate xyz in three ways to end up with three linear simultaneous equations for xy, xz and yz.

Having solved those, use the fact that (xy)(xz)(yz) = (xyz)^2 to find x, y and z up to a sign.
 
pasmith said:
Multiply each equation by the unknown which doesn't appear in it so that the right hand side of each equation is then a multiple of xyz. You can then eliminate xyz in three ways to end up with three linear simultaneous equations for xy, xz and yz.

Having solved those, use the fact that (xy)(xz)(yz) = (xyz)^2 to find x, y and z up to a sign.

Even better: if p = xyz, one can express xy, xz and yz as numerical multiples of p (by solving linear equations with p in the right-hand-sides), so---if x, y and z are non-zero---one gets a unique solution for (x,y,z), with no sign ambiguities.

Also: explore what must happen if one of the variables, say x, is zero.
 
Thanks for the hints , but I used a different method to solve this equation. From eq. 1 I got y=(6x)/(5x-6) .
I substituted that in eq. 2 to get x in terms of z. ( x=(126z)/(126+45z) ) then I substituted that into eq. 3 to get a quadratic equation in z with solutions z=0,7. From z=7 , I got x= 2 . Then I got y=3 from the relationship between x and y obtained earlier from eq. 1 . But I felt that the arithmetic involved was quite daunting and there must be a better way to solve it. I tried using the method that pasmith recommended but am feeling a bit lost. Can anyone please explain a simpler method to solve this system ?
 
agoogler said:
Thanks for the hints , but I used a different method to solve this equation. From eq. 1 I got y=(6x)/(5x-6) .
I substituted that in eq. 2 to get x in terms of z. ( x=(126z)/(126+45z) ) then I substituted that into eq. 3 to get a quadratic equation in z with solutions z=0,7. From z=7 , I got x= 2 . Then I got y=3 from the relationship between x and y obtained earlier from eq. 1 . But I felt that the arithmetic involved was quite daunting and there must be a better way to solve it. I tried using the method that pasmith recommended but am feeling a bit lost. Can anyone please explain a simpler method to solve this system ?

Let ##a = xy, \;b = yz, \; c = zx \:\text{ and }\: p = xyz.## Multiply the first equation by z, the second by x and the third by y to get
6b+6c=5p\\<br /> 21a+21c=10p \\<br /> 14a+14b=9p
This is a simple 3x3 linear system which can be solved using grade-school methods, to get
## a = p/7,\: b = p/2, \: c = p/3.## Assuming ##x,y,z,\neq 0## we have
xy = xyz/7 \Longrightarrow z = 7 \\<br /> yz = xyz/2 \Longrightarrow x = 2\\<br /> zx = xyz/3 \Longrightarrow y=3
 
Ray Vickson said:
Let ##a = xy, \;b = yz, \; c = zx \:\text{ and }\: p = xyz.## Multiply the first equation by z, the second by x and the third by y to get
6b+6c=5p\\<br /> 21a+21c=10p \\<br /> 14a+14b=9p
This is a simple 3x3 linear system which can be solved using grade-school methods, to get
## a = p/7,\: b = p/2, \: c = p/3.## Assuming ##x,y,z,\neq 0## we have
xy = xyz/7 \Longrightarrow z = 7 \\<br /> yz = xyz/2 \Longrightarrow x = 2\\<br /> zx = xyz/3 \Longrightarrow y=3
That's Awesome ! Thanks a lot !
 

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