How to Solve an Integral Problem Involving a Continuous Function?

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The discussion revolves around solving an integral problem involving a continuous function defined by an integral equation. Participants explore various methods to find the integrals of the function and its properties, focusing on the theoretical and mathematical aspects of the problem.

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  • One participant presents the integral equation and seeks guidance on how to start solving for the integrals of the function without a full solution.
  • Another participant suggests expanding the integral equation to derive a preliminary form for the function, proposing that it can be expressed as a quadratic function of the form \( f(x) = ax + bx^2 \).
  • A different participant attempts to integrate the function directly, leading to an equation involving constants \( A \) and \( B \), but seeks clarification on the next steps.
  • Another participant proposes differentiating both sides of the original equation, leading to a second-order differential equation and suggesting that the function can be expressed as a general quadratic form, which would yield additional equations for the constants involved.

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Participants present multiple approaches to the problem, with no consensus on a single method or solution. Different strategies are proposed, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best path forward.

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Participants rely on assumptions about the continuity and differentiability of the function, and the discussion includes various mathematical manipulations that may depend on these properties. The exact relationships between the constants \( A \) and \( B \) remain unspecified, and the implications of the derived equations are not fully explored.

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Let $f:R \to R$ be a continuous and differential function given by

$\displaystyle f(x) = x + \int_0^1 (xy + x^2)f(y)dy$

find $\displaystyle \int_0^1 f(x)dx$ and $\displaystyle \int_0^1 xf(x)dx$I wanted to know how i could start the problem.Please do not give full solution

It would be good if you could even help me with the LaTeX too...
 
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Re: Calculus problem

What I might try. Expanding your integral equation gives

$\displaystyle f(x) = x + x\int_0^1 yf(y)dy + x^2\int_0^1 f(y)dy\;\;\;(1)$

Now $f(y)$ is continuous so $\displaystyle \int_0^1 f(y)dy$ and $\displaystyle \int_0^1 y f(y)$ are constant so from (1) we have a preliminary form for $f(x)$, namely

$\displaystyle f(x) = a x + bx^2$

Then use (1).
 
Re: Calculus problem

$\displaystyle f(x) = x + \int_0^1 (xy + x^2)f(y)dy$
Let me integrate it, then $\displaystyle \int_0^1 f(x)dx$ = $\displaystyle (1+\int_0^1 yf(y)dy)$. $\displaystyle \int_0^1 xdx$ + $\displaystyle { \int_0^1 f(y)dy}. \int_0^1 x^2 dx$

So , I get the equation 4A = 3 + 3B $(Lazy$ $to$ $type$ $latex...so$ $used$ $A$ $and$ $B)$

Then what equation would i get??
 
If you differentiate both sides of the given equation with respect to x, you get $\displaystyle f'= 1+ \int_0^1 (y+ 2x)f(y)dy$. If you differentiate again, you get $\displaystyle f'= \int_0^1 f(y)dy$ which is a constant for all x. Just call that constant A and f''= A gives f'= Ax+ B and then $\displaystyle f(x)= (A/2)x^2+ Bx+ C$, a general quadratic. Replacing f by that in the origina equation will give you three equations for A, B, and C.
 

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