How to Solve Cake and Pipe Equations: Helpful Tips and Solutions

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around two problems related to scaling in geometry: one involving the volume of a cake and the other concerning the flow through a pipe. Participants are exploring the relationships between dimensions and volume in these contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to solve the problems by substituting values and working backwards but expresses confusion over the discrepancies between their answers and the correct ones. Some participants suggest using scaling factors for the dimensions in the cake problem and clarify the relationship between radius and height in the pipe problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problems, with some providing guidance on how to approach the scaling aspect of the cake problem. There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts involved, particularly regarding the application of scaling factors and how they affect volume calculations.

Contextual Notes

There appears to be some confusion regarding the application of scaling factors in both problems, particularly in how dimensions relate to volume. The original poster expresses feelings of inadequacy in understanding the concepts, which may influence their approach to the problems.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Cake one...
Area of circle times height
Pipe one... Av = Av

The Attempt at a Solution


Hello, i would like some help in the right direction/
I had a go at these problems and got B) for the pipe one and C for the cake one.
However the correct answers for the pipe one is A) whereas the one for the cake is E.).

I don't understand what I am doing wrong. If you try substituting values and work backwards the constants i get don't fit.
EG: for the pipe one i made r = 4...
pi * 4^2 * 0.5 = pi* x * 4^2 * 2
x = 0.25 so i got B, but the correct answer is A...

For the cake problem i made h=5 and diametre = 8cm (radius = 4)...
pi * 4^2 * 5 = 251 m-3
i then doubled volume, and worked backwards to find factor to increase radius and therefore diamtre by...

502 = pi * r^2 * 5
r = 5.6418
5.6418/4 = 1.44... so i got C, but correct answer is E

Please help me
 
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Pipe: if x is the scaling of the radius, you should have pi*x^2*4^2*2
Cake: it is a scale model, so all dimensions increase by the same factor: pi*x^2*4^2*x*5 = 502
 
mjc123 said:
Pipe: if x is the scaling of the radius, you should have pi*x^2*4^2*2
Cake: it is a scale model, so all dimensions increase by the same factor: pi*x^2*4^2*x*5 = 502
Hello, thank you so much! I get the one with the pipe, but i don't quite get the second one, where did the other x come from? Do you have a site i can read up on to explain this I'm too stupid.
 
Adam Rabe said:
Hello, thank you so much! I get the one with the pipe, but i don't quite get the second one, where did the other x come from? Do you have a site i can read up on to explain this I'm too stupid.
It says it is a scale model, so all dimensions increase in the same ratio. If the cake starts with radius r and height h, and all dimensions are scaled up by a factor x, what is the new radius? What is the new height? What is the new volume?
 

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