How to Solve $(x^2 + 1)y'' - 6xy' + 10y = 0$ Using Series Methods?

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation $(x^2 + 1)y'' - 6xy' + 10y = 0$ using series methods. Participants explore the derivation of a recursion formula, the first few non-zero terms of the solution for different initial conditions, and the manipulation of series to arrive at these terms.

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  • Participants propose using series methods to solve the differential equation, seeking a recursion formula and specific terms of the solution.
  • One participant expresses confusion over a previous response from another forum, indicating potential mistakes in the series manipulation.
  • There is a discussion about the correct formulation of the series, with participants clarifying the handling of indices and terms in the summation.
  • Multiple participants derive a recursion formula, with one stating it as $a_{n+2} = -a_n\frac{(n-5)(n-2)}{(n+2)(n+1)}$ and noting its consistency with earlier terms.
  • Different values for the coefficients $a_n$ are proposed for parts b) and c), with some participants correcting earlier claims about the number of non-zero terms.
  • One participant revises their coefficients after realizing a mistake related to the condition $2a_2 + 10a_0 = 0$.
  • Final updates provide corrected coefficients for both parts b) and c), showing the evolution of the discussion as participants refine their answers.

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Participants generally agree on the need for a recursion formula and the use of series methods, but there are multiple competing views regarding the specific coefficients and terms of the solutions. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of consensus on the exact values of the coefficients until the final updates are presented.

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Participants note limitations in their calculations and assumptions, particularly regarding the handling of indices in series and the implications of the recursion formula on the coefficients.

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Readers interested in series solutions to differential equations, particularly in the context of mathematical methods in physics and engineering, may find this discussion beneficial.

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Use series methods to solve $(x^2 + 1) y" - 6xy' + 10y = 0$
a) Give the Recursion formula
b) give the first two non zero terms of the solution corresponding to $a_0 = 1$ and $a_1 =0$
c) give the first three non zero terms of solution corresponding to $a_0 = 0$ and $a_1 = 1$

So I posted this also on math exchange and someone was helping me out but i think they've made some mistakes. I'm really confused on this problem.

Where I got stuck with my series :(
 
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shamieh said:
Use series methods to solve $(x^2 + 1) y" - 6xy' + 10y = 0$
a) Give the Recursion formula
b) give the first two non zero terms of the solution corresponding to $a_0 = 1$ and $a_1 =0$
c) give the first three non zero terms of solution corresponding to $a_0 = 0$ and $a_1 = 1$

So I posted this also on math exchange and someone was helping me out but i think they've made some mistakes. I'm really confused on this problem.

Where I got stuck with my series :(


$$\sum ^{\infty}_{n=2} n(n-1)a_nX^n + \sum ^{\infty}_{n=0} (n+2)(n+1)a_{n+2}X^n - 6\sum ^{\infty}_{n=0} na_nX^n + 10 \sum ^{\infty}_{n=0}a_nX^n$$

Hi shamieh,

Consider that:
$$
\sum_{n=0}^\infty b_n = b_0 + b_1 + b_2 + ... = b_0 + \sum_{n=1}^\infty b_n
$$

And also that:
$$\sum ^{\infty}_{n=2} n(n-1)a_nX^n = \sum ^{\infty}_{n=1} n(n-1)a_nX^n$$
since the term for $n=1$ is zero anyway. (Thinking)
 
so would that give me $0 + 2a_2\sum^{\infty}_{n=0} n(n-1)a_nX^n$ ?
 
shamieh said:
so would that give me $0 + 2a_2\sum^{\infty}_{n=0} n(n-1)a_nX^n$ ?

Let's see...

$$\sum ^{\infty}_{n=2} n(n-1)a_nX^n + \sum ^{\infty}_{n=0} (n+2)(n+1)a_{n+2}X^n - 6\sum ^{\infty}_{n=0} na_nX^n + 10 \sum ^{\infty}_{n=0}a_nX^n \\
= \sum ^{\infty}_{n=1} n(n-1)a_nX^n + \left(2a_2 + \sum ^{\infty}_{n=1} (n+2)(n+1)a_{n+2}X^n\right)
- 6\left(0 + \sum ^{\infty}_{n=1} na_nX^n\right) + 10 \left(a_0 + \sum ^{\infty}_{n=1}a_nX^n\right) \\
= 2a_2 + 10a_0 + \sum ^{\infty}_{n=1} \Big(n(n-1)a_n + (n+2)(n+1)a_{n+2} - 6na_n + 10 a_n\Big)X^n \\
= 0
$$
 
Ooh, I think I see what you're saying. Gonna try it out now.
 
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In the last summation where is the $n$? that goes with the series being multiplied by $10$?

I got:

$y = \sum^{\infty}_{n=0} na_nX^n$

$y' = \sum^{\infty}_{n=1} na_nX^{n-1}$

$y'' = \sum^{\infty}_{n=2} n(n-1)a_nX^{n-2}$

so we have: $(x^2+1)[\sum^{\infty}_{n=2} n(n-1)a_nX^{n-2}] - (6x) \sum^{\infty}_{n=1} na_nX^{n-1} + 10\sum^{\infty}_{n=0} na_nX^n $

After doing some series manipulation I got:

$= \sum^{\infty}_{n=2} n(n-1)a_nX^n + \sum^{\infty}_{n=0} (n+2)(n+1)a_{n+2}X^n - \sum^{\infty}_{n=0} 6na_nX^n + \sum^{\infty}_{n=0} 10na_nX^n$
 
shamieh said:
In the last summation where is the $n$? that goes with the series being multiplied by $10$?

I got:

$y = \sum^{\infty}_{n=0} na_nX^n$

That should be $$y = \sum^{\infty}_{n=0} a_nX^n$$.

Is that your missing $n$? (Wondering)
 
Oh yep. My brain is working extra good today. :rolleyes:
 
So finally for the Recursion Formula I got: $a_{n+2} = -a_n\frac{(n-5)(n-2)}{(n+2)(n+1)}$
 
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shamieh said:
So finally for the Recursion Formula I got: $a_{n+2} = -a_n\frac{(n-5)(n-2)}{(n+2)(n+1)}$

Looks correct to me. (Smile)

Note that it also satisfies $2a_2+10a_0=0$, which is necessary.
 
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Also for part b) I got:

$a_0 = 1$

$a_1 = 0$

$a_2 = -5$

$a_3 = 0$

$a_4 = 0$

so: $y_1 = 1 + 0 + (-5x^2) + .. $

and for part c i got:

$a_0 = 0$

$a_1 = 1$

$a_2 = 0$

$a_3 = \frac{-4}{6}$

$a_4 = 0$

so $y_2 = x + 0 + (\frac{-4}{6}x^3) + 0 .. +..$
 
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Part b) looks fine. (Smile)

For c), shouldn't you get at least 3 non-zero terms? Indeed, I get a different $a_5$. (Worried)
 
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How does this look?
$a_0 = 0$

$a_1 = 1$

$a_2 = -5$

$a_3 = \frac{-4}{6}$
so $y_2 = x + -5x^2 + (\frac{-4}{6}x^3) + 0 .. +..$
 
  • #14
shamieh said:
How does this look?
$a_0 = 0$

$a_1 = 1$

$a_2 = -5$

$a_3 = \frac{-4}{6}$

$a_4 = 0$

so $y_2 = x + -5x^2 + (\frac{-4}{6}x^3) + 0 .. +..$

Let's see... (Thinking)

We had $2a_2 + 10 a_0 = 0$.
Substituting, we get $2 \cdot -5 + 10 \cdot 0 = -10 \ne 0$.

Nope. It looks more wrong. (Sweating)
 
  • #15
I like Serena said:
Let's see... (Thinking)

We had $2a_2 + 10 a_0 = 0$.
Substituting, we get $2 \cdot -5 + 10 \cdot 0 = -10 \ne 0$.

Nope. It looks more wrong. (Sweating)

Let me try again lol

$a_0 = 0$

$a_1 = 1$

$a_2 = 0$

$a_3 = \frac{-4}{6}$

$a_4 = 0$

$a_5 = -1/15$

so $y_2 = x + \frac{-2}{3} x^3 + \frac{1}{15} x^5..$
 
  • #16
That looks much better! (Whew)
 
  • #17
You know when you finish doing differential equations by series and then you forget how to add and subtract and do algebra? Lol that is my life right now. Thanks for all your help I like Serena(Malthe)(Time)
 
  • #18
UPDATE!

The correct solutions for part b) and part c) are:

b)
$a_0 = 1$
$a_1 = 0$
$a_2 = -2/3$
$a_3 = 0$
$a_4 = 0$

$\therefore$ $y_1 = 1 + (-\frac{2}{3}x^2) + ... + ...$

c)
$a_0 = 0$
$a_1 = 1$
$a_2 = 0$
$a_3 = -2/3$
$a_4 = 0$
$a_5 = 1/15$

$\therefore$ $y_2 = x + (-\frac{2}{3}x^2) + \frac{1}{15}x^5 + ...$
 

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