Solving Differential Equation: {x^2} - 3{y^2}+6xy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation {x^2} - 3{y^2} + 6xy\frac{{dy}}{{dx}} = 0. Participants explore various methods for rewriting and solving the equation, including substitutions and transformations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests rewriting the equation to \frac{{dy}}{{dx}} = \frac{{3{y^2} - {x^2}}}{{6xy}} and considers the implications of the cases when either x=0 or y=0.
  • Another participant proposes the substitution u=y^2 as a potential approach to simplify the equation.
  • A third participant agrees with the substitution u=y^2 and introduces an additional substitution v=x^2, indicating that these substitutions may help in simplifying the problem.
  • Further elaboration on the substitution v=y/x is provided, leading to a transformed differential equation involving v and its derivatives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple approaches and substitutions without reaching a consensus on a single method for solving the differential equation. The discussion remains open with various suggestions being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the treatment of cases when x=0 or y=0, and the implications of their chosen substitutions on the overall solution process.

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Sorry I couldn't think of any more relevant title. Here's the equation:

{x^2} - 3{y^2} + 6xy\frac{{dy}}{{dx}} = 0

I'm thinking of rewriting the above to \frac{{dy}}{{dx}} = \frac{{3{y^2} - {x^2}}}{{6xy}} followed by a change of variable u=y/x. But should I rule out the case when either x=0 or y=0 first? I'd also love to see if there's any alternative way to solve this ODE, thanks!
 
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That term containing y*dy/dx suggests you should consider the substitution u=y2.
 
D H said:
That term containing y*dy/dx suggests you should consider the substitution u=y2.

Yes! And also let v = x2. Then see how these substitutions simplify things.

Chet
 
drawar said:
Sorry I couldn't think of any more relevant title. Here's the equation:

{x^2} - 3{y^2} + 6xy\frac{{dy}}{{dx}} = 0

I'm thinking of rewriting the above to \frac{{dy}}{{dx}} = \frac{{3{y^2} - {x^2}}}{{6xy}} followed by a change of variable u=y/x. But should I rule out the case when either x=0 or y=0 first? I'd also love to see if there's any alternative way to solve this ODE, thanks!

Notice that
\frac{3y^2- x^2}{6xy}= \frac{\frac{3y^2- x^2}{xy}}{6}= \frac{1}{6}(3\frac{y}{x}- \frac{x}{y})
Which suggests that the substitution v= y/x would be useful (actually, the fact that both numerator and denominator are of second degree first suggested that).

If v= y/x then y= xv so that y'= xv'+ v. The differential equation becomes
x\frac{dv}{dx}+ v= \frac{1}{6}\left(3v- \frac{1}{v}\right)
x\frac{dv}{dx}= \frac{1}{6}\left(3v- \frac{1}{v}\right)- v= \frac{1}{6}\left(-3v- \frac{1}{v}\right)
x\frac{dv}{dx}= -\frac{1}{6}\left(\frac{3v^2+ 1}{v}\right)
\frac{v}{3v^2+ 1}dv= -\frac{1}{6x}dx
 

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