How to Start Making a New Physics Theory?

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The discussion revolves around the process of developing a new physics theory, including the necessary background research, mathematical formulation, and the distinction between scientific and pseudoscientific theories. Participants explore various approaches to learning and creativity in theoretical physics.

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  • One participant suggests researching existing theories to understand the current state of the field before developing new equations.
  • Another participant emphasizes that merely learning from established experts may not suffice; extensive reading and understanding of various fields are necessary to propose coherent models.
  • Questions are raised about the methods used by historical figures like Einstein and Newton in developing their theories, and whether studying original publications or modern texts is more beneficial for fostering inventiveness.
  • A participant proposes analyzing existing theories critically to identify logical inconsistencies and develop personal insights.
  • One viewpoint likens science to a computer program that must account for both known and unexplained phenomena, suggesting that a new theory should build upon established knowledge while extending beyond it.
  • Another participant lists several advanced physics texts they plan to purchase, indicating a desire to deepen their understanding of various complex topics.
  • Concerns are expressed about the feasibility of mastering all areas of physics, with a suggestion that focusing on a specific subfield may be more practical for advanced study.

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Participants express a range of views on the best approaches to developing a new theory and the importance of foundational knowledge. There is no consensus on a singular method or pathway to achieving inventiveness in theoretical physics.

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Some participants note the challenges of mastering multiple areas of physics due to the increasing complexity and specialization within the field. The discussion reflects varying opinions on the balance between foundational learning and innovative thinking.

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Hi!

How to make a new physics theory? I mean mathematically valid theory that says something about physics. It could be a toy theory/model, of course (like the bosonic string theory). I just want to know "how to get started". Yes, I know; that was a very vague question...

Thanks!
 
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One would research the background and state of the art, much as one would do when inventing something, to see if such a theory has already been proposed.

Then one would develop the system of equations that describes the physics of whatever phenomenon is being addressed or described by the theory.
 
Learn from the masters of the art.
 
will learning from the masters make you a master yourself?

i think not.

edit: I am saying this cause it's not enough to learn from the masters to be able to propose a consistent and coherent mathematical model, usually you need to read a lot in the field and sometimes also only tweaking known parameters may do the job, but to do so you ofcourse need to read a lot about the field and also read on other fields and look for potetnial connections between them.
 
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Ok. Thanks!

How did Einstein invent his theories of relativity?
How did Newton invent the Newton laws?
How did Nordström invent his theory of gravitation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordström's_theory_of_gravitation)?
How did Milgrom invent the Modified Newtonian dynamics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOND)?
etc, etc...

Should one just try to read and understand the original publications, e.g. Einstein's original publication of the special relativity? Or should one just read the modern physics books to understand the concepts? Which one is the better way to learn "inventiveness"?

Are there any tips and tricks to learn "inventiveness"? How do I know when I have a real scientific theory and not just a pseudoscientific junk? They say that even string theory is pseudoscience. How about the Heim theory?

I want to learn to distinguish real science from pseudoscience.
 
I think you have to analyze different theories and judge if they're logical or not. If you find any theories which you don't believe in, try finding out yourself how it could be, then try to prove it.
 
For me science is like a computer program. I liked dos, then it changed... The new program apparently does the same but more. A new theory would have to account for all of the previous known phenomenon and then go even further. The only way to do this is to actually consider the explained phenomenon and the unexplained phenomenon, and then construct a theory that accounts for both. Not an easy task to say the least. Then again, how much has science changed in the last 100 or so years?...
 
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Master of science in physics, and not done QM, QFT, GR and/or elementary partcile phyiscs? :O

String theory is graduate course here in sweden, but you can do diploma work in it. My friend does now diploma work in simulating Higgs boson decays in theoretical particle physics. So if you really want to go deep into something, doing diploma work then PhD are perhaps the best, then you get personal help from teachers and so on. But I don't know how you have it at your university, so best is maybe to ask your teachers overthere.

Good luck =)
 
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malawi_glenn said:
Master of science in physics, and not done QM, QFT, GR and/or elementary partcile phyiscs? :O

Yes, I have. "Quantum Mechanics I" and "Particle Physics". I am right now taking "Quantum Mechanics II". :)

But, but. I want to learn everything. LOL.

malawi_glenn said:
String theory is graduate course here in sweden, but you can do diploma work in it. My friend does now diploma work in simulating Higgs boson decays in theoretical particle physics. So if you really want to go deep into something, doing diploma work then PhD are perhaps the best, then you get personal help from teachers and so on. But I don't know how you have it at your university, so best is maybe to ask your teachers overthere.

Ok. Is diploma work = Licentiate Thesis?

malawi_glenn said:
Good luck =)
Thanks!
 
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diploma work here = the final thing you do your semester as undergraduate.

knowing everything is impossible i think..but its very good aim to have atleast knowledge corresponding to first course at graduate level (i.e phd course) in stuff =)

I personally enjoy subatomic physics a lot, and nuclear astrophysics. But I must choose one thing to be very very good at, to do my PhD in. You can't really master everything as they did in the old days, cos now there is so much in each branch of physics =/ =)
 

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