How to understand wavelength in a simple way

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The discussion centers around understanding the concept of wavelength in a simple manner, particularly in the context of waves in general, including sound and electromagnetic waves. Participants explore various analogies and methods to explain wavelength, aiming to make the concept accessible to a younger audience interested in astronomy.

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  • One participant describes wavelength using ocean waves, explaining it as the distance between peaks or troughs, and relates this to sound waves and electromagnetic waves.
  • Another participant offers a very brief definition, stating that wavelength is "literally just the length of a wave," which is challenged as being vague.
  • A participant suggests that understanding wavelength requires a grasp of waves in general and recommends practical experiences, such as observing ripples in water or using a slinky, to relate physical experiences to the concept.
  • There is a mention of complications in understanding wavelength, such as coherence, polarization, and red-shift, though these are not elaborated upon in detail.

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Participants express different levels of detail and approaches to explaining wavelength, with some advocating for practical experiences while others focus on theoretical explanations. No consensus is reached on a singular method or definition of wavelength.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of waves, noting that they vary in both time and space, which can lead to confusion about the aspects being discussed. There are also references to the challenges of understanding light waves compared to more tangible examples like sound or water waves.

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Guys, i"m only 13 and i somehow got curious in astronomy. I want to know how wavelength works in a simple way. Please help me guys :P
 
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Think of a set of waves out in the ocean. It's just a series of parallel ridges and troughs. The wavelength is the distance from one peak to the next - which is the same as the difference from one trough to the next.
Now think of a sound wave. This is a series of variations in air pressure between the source and the listener. If you draw a straight line from the source to the listener and measure the air pressure everywhere along that line at an instant in time, the pressure will vary as you move along the line, approximately like a sine wave. The wavelength is the distance from one pressure peak of that wave (a point of locally maximum air pressure) to the next.
Now for astronomy, the waves are electromagnetic radiation, which are variations in electric and magnetic fields, rather than air pressure or water height. If you draw a straight line between the distant star and the observer on Earth, and measure the electric field at all points along that line, its magnitude will vary along the line, again like a sine wave. Again, the wavelength is the distance along the line from one point of local maximum in electrical field to the next.
There are complications to that, involving issues like coherence, polarization and red-shift. But for a simple explanation, I think the above covers the main issues without being too oversimplified.
 
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It's literally just the length of a wave.
 
You know what a sine wave is from math?
 
Sturk200 said:
It's literally just the length of a wave.

That's an incredibly vague answer :wink:
 
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ThatOneSheep said:
Guys, i"m only 13 and i somehow got curious in astronomy. I want to know how wavelength works in a simple way. Please help me guys :P

andrewkirk said:
Think of a set of waves out in the ocean. It's just a series of parallel ridges and troughs. The wavelength is the distance from one peak to the next - which is the same as the difference from one trough to the next..
See:
http://hema.ipfw.edu/Geopics/Framesrc/Water/waves.html
 
ThatOneSheep said:
i"m only 13 and.. I want to know how wavelength works in a simple way. Please help
Wavelength is a property of waves. So you need to understand waves a bit.
Though you're interested in light, I don't think that's a good place to start, as those waves are not obvious. Even sound has the same problem.

I'd play around with ripples in water (chuck a rock in a pond or dabble your finger in a bowl of water), wobbling a skipping rope or washing line, a slinky if you've got one. The easiest waves to understand are when you wobble things at a fixed rate (frequency), which gives a fixed wavelength. Look at how things move, both overall and a single part and what a wave looks like in different places and at different times. You can make models, like a wave pattern drawn on paper and pulled behind a thin slit, or a helix drawn on a tube and look at it sideways while rotating it.

Then when you look in books or on the internet, you can relate the diagrams to your experiences and have more chance of understanding what they are saying.
It's not an easy subject, because waves vary in both time and space (distance) and it's easy to get confused about what aspect is being talked about. You have the advantage over me, when I learned about this, that you can have moving diagrams on the internet rather than just snapshot line drawings.

Probably not the sort of help you were seeking, but the essential thing for understanding(IMO) is to have physical experiences that you can relate the pictures and explanations to.
 
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