How to use commas and paragraphs correctly when writing

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the correct use of commas and paragraphs in writing, particularly in the context of composing professional letters. Participants explore various aspects of punctuation and structure, including practical advice and resources for improvement.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about comma placement, specifically questioning whether to use a comma before a name in a sentence.
  • Another participant suggests that concise writing is preferable, advocating for shorter sentences and the use of periods instead of filler words.
  • A recommendation is made to read "The Elements of Style" by Strunk and White as a resource for understanding writing conventions.
  • Another participant echoes the suggestion to read Strunk & White, noting the value of the 1972 edition while acknowledging that earlier versions may be outdated.
  • One participant shares that extensive reading of well-edited materials has significantly contributed to their writing skills, suggesting that style guides can enhance understanding of writing concepts.
  • A later reply indicates a willingness to read the recommended book for further guidance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the value of reading and utilizing style guides to improve writing, but there is no consensus on specific rules for comma usage or paragraph structure, as different perspectives and uncertainties are present.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of confidence in their understanding of punctuation and paragraphing, indicating that some foundational knowledge may be missing or unclear. The discussion reflects a range of personal experiences and suggestions without resolving the complexities of writing conventions.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals seeking to improve their writing skills, particularly in professional contexts, may find the discussion and resources mentioned beneficial.

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I want to learn how to write professional looking letters so I have to learn how to use punctuation and stuff properly. As silly as it seems, I still don't know when and where to use commas. I used to not know how to use them at all but someone advised me to sound out the sentence in my head and then wherever there's a pause, put in a comma. That works to a degree but I'm still not fully sure. Let's say I'm writing a letter with this sentence "Hello, I am contacting you on behalf of my client John Doe". I notice there's a pause in between client and John Doe so should I put a comma in there (e.g. "on behalf of my client, John Doe") or is there some other symbol I should use?

I also don't really know how to use paragraphs. I just haphazardly throw them in whenever I feel like it. For example I threw in a paragraph there to make this thread easier to read but the reason I chose that particular place to put it in was because this is my 2nd question. Is that the correct way to use paragraphs i.e. to separate different elements of the text? What happens when you've written a lot but you can't see any logical way to divide it because it all seems to be part of the same element?
 
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Ummm, I'm no grammar nazi but your writing looks relatively fine, and this is just a casual message board.
As far as professional letters, the best advice I can give is be as concise as possible. Keep the sentences short. Don't use things like "so" or "be" (like i just did). For instance, when you said "i want to learn how to write professional letters so i have to learn how to use punctuation properly."
Instead, just say "I want to learn how to write professional letters. I need to learn better punctuation."
It sounds better with less "filler". Much of it should be replaced with a period.
 
Read "The Elements of Style" by Strunk and White.
 
Get a copy of Strunk & White. This book is short, sweet, and cheap. The original "Elements of Style," published in 1918, is a bit outdated but is available online. The 1972 edition is in my mind still the best of the several revisions that have followed.

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Vanadium 50 beat me to it by a couple of minutes!
 
It also helps to read a lot of professionally-written or -edited stuff: magazines, newspapers, books, web sites that aren't simply thrown together by someone in his/her basement. I probably "learned" most of my writing skills this way, and by constant practice.

Style guides and composition textbooks can help you recognize concepts that you sense vaguely by reading well-written material. I think they work best if you have a lot of reading experience to begin with.
 
Thanks I'll give that book a read.
 

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