How to Use Vector Analysis Identity to Solve a Closed Loop Integral?

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating a vector analysis identity related to closed loop integrals, specifically involving Stokes' theorem and vector fields. The problem involves showing that a specific expression involving a closed loop integral can be derived from an identity related to vector calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore various identities and theorems, particularly Stokes' theorem, to relate the left-hand side of the equation to the right-hand side. Some participants question the role of the gradient in the expressions and how it affects the derivation.

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There are multiple approaches being discussed, with some participants confirming the effectiveness of certain methods while others express initial skepticism. Guidance has been shared regarding the application of vector identities and theorems, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants are working within the constraints of homework rules, focusing on theoretical derivations without providing complete solutions. There is an emphasis on understanding the application of vector calculus identities in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



we are to show a=(1/2) closed loop integral over [r x dl]

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The Attempt at a Solution



I suppose this can be done formally from the alternative form of Stokes' theorem that can be obtained by replacing the vector field in curl theorem by VxC where C is a constant vector

The identity is :

surface int [(da x grad) x V]=closed loop integral over [dl x V]

The RHS matches.But how to show that LHS leads to the required value?
 
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There is an identity:
[tex]\oint{\bf dr\times V}={\bf \int(\nabla V )\cdot dS<br /> - \int dS(\nabla\cdot V)}[/tex].
This can be derived by dotting the left hand side by a constatn vector, and then applying Stokes' theorem.
Applying this with V=r works.
 
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OK,thank you.Your method worked nicely...
First I was sceptical about the grad V in your RHS...However,I started from the very beginning by dotting c with the required integral and it worked well.
 
There is an easier way I overlooked. Just take
[tex]{\vec k}\cdot\oint{\vec r}\times{\vec dr}[/tex]
where k is a constant vector, and apply Stokes' theorem.
 
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I did just that...your dr reolaced by dl...
 

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