How to visualize 2-form or exterior product?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the visualization of 2-forms or exterior products in the context of differential forms, exploring various methods and interpretations. Participants consider both geometric and algebraic perspectives, as well as the limitations of certain visualizations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose visualizing 2-forms through the intersection of contour lines from two functions, suggesting this might represent the oriented area defined by the differential forms.
  • Others argue that the grid of contour lines defined by the differential forms could correspond to areas, questioning if each grid cell represents an area of one.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of considering differential forms as coordinate vectors rather than infinitesimals, discussing the geometric interpretation of oriented volumes spanned by these vectors.
  • Participants also mention the geometric definition of differential forms as smooth sections of cotangent bundles, indicating a more sophisticated perspective.
  • Links to external resources are provided, including visualizations and academic posters related to the topic.

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Participants express varying viewpoints on how to visualize 2-forms, with no consensus reached on a single method or interpretation. The discussion remains open to multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted regarding the effectiveness of certain visualizations and the dependence on specific definitions of differential forms and their geometric interpretations.

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We can visualize 1-form by contour lines, since a 1-form / gradient sort of represents how fast the function changes. I wonder whether we can visualize 2-form df ^ dg by intersection of two sets of contour lines for f and g, or maybe something of a similar nature?
 
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lriuui0x0 said:
We can visualize 1-form by contour lines, since a 1-form / gradient sort of represents how fast the function changes. I wonder whether we can visualize 2-form df ^ dg by intersection of two sets of contour lines for f and g, or maybe something of a similar nature?
It's rather the (oriented) area defined by df and dg.
 
fresh_42 said:
It's rather the (oriented) area defined by df and dg.
Let's say we have a grid of contour lines defined by df and dg, consecutive contour lines have their function values changed by one. Then does each grid cell correspond to area one?
 
lriuui0x0 said:
Let's say we have a grid of contour lines defined by df and dg, consecutive contour lines have their function values changed by one. Then does each grid cell correspond to area one?
Such visualizations have their limits. It is better in this context to consider ##df## and ##dg## as coordinate vectors rather than infinitesimals.

##a_1 \wedge a_2 \wedge \ldots \wedge a_n## is the oriented volume spanned by the vectors ##a_k.## We have ##n=2## here, and ##a_k## are differential ##1-##forms, covectors.

Of course, you can always consider differential forms as smooth sections of cotangent bundles. This is per se a geometric definition, even if a more sophisticated one, but nevertheless, geometric.

Here is a more algebraic description:
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/pantheon-derivatives-part-iii/
 
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