How to work in the |F,m_F> states in hyperfine structure

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The discussion revolves around the treatment of hyperfine structure in systems with two atoms, each containing one proton and one electron. Participants explore the implications of nuclear spin alignment and the representation of spin states in both uncoupled and coupled bases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the nuclear spins of the protons need to be kept parallel when writing the states, suggesting a specific representation for the singlet state and referencing the relation F=S+I.
  • Another participant asserts that when considering two protons, the spin states must also be expressed in terms of singlet and triplet states.
  • A later reply discusses the implications of having 16 states in the uncoupled basis versus a reduced number of states in the coupled basis, noting a discrepancy with the number of eigenvalues of the hyperfine Hamiltonian as stated in a referenced paper.
  • There is a request for a reference to the paper being discussed, indicating a need for further context or validation of claims made.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of parallel nuclear spins and the resulting implications for the number of states and matrix dimensions, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants highlight potential limitations in their assumptions regarding the alignment of nuclear spins and the definitions of the states involved, as well as the implications for the matrix representation of the hyperfine Hamiltonian.

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A little confused about the notation in the coupled and uncoupled basis
Suppose that we have two atoms with one proton one electron each, and these electrons interact with each other. The states for the electrons are the singlet(S=0) and the triplet states(S=1). My question is if i have to keep the nuclear spin of the protons parallel when i write the states, for example $$\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(|+-\rangle-|-+\rangle)_e\otimes|\Uparrow\rangle_p$$
for the singlet state, and if so, can i use the fact that F=S+I, which in this case whould yield the state |1,1?> ?(S=0,I=1/2+1/2=1,ms=0,mI=1)
 
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If you have two protons, then you also have to write the spin state of the protons in term of singlet and triplet states.
 
DrClaude said:
If you have two protons, then you also have to write the spin state of the protons in term of singlet and triplet states.
Thank you for your answer. I thought of that as well, but that would lead to having 16 states in the uncoupled basis, and in the coupled basis we would have $$|2,M_F\rangle \ \ \ , \ \ \ |1,M_F\rangle \ \ \ , \ \ \ |0,0\rangle$$ which yields a 9X9 matrix. The problem with that is that the author of the paper that i am reading (it's on the radical pair mechanism) states that there are 8 eigenvalues of the hyperfine hamiltonian, meaning an 8X8 matrix, so i suppose that he always takes the proton spins to be parallel (either both spins up or both down).
 
Can you give the reference?
 

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