How was this pronounced in 14th century native Spain?

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The discussion revolves around the pronunciation of the name "Columbus" in 14th century Spain, with participants exploring historical and linguistic contexts. The conversation touches on the political landscape of Spain during that time and how it may affect the pronunciation of names.

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  • Some participants suggest the pronunciation could be "cologne" or "cool loan," but express uncertainty about its implications for the 14th century.
  • One participant points out that in the 14th century, there was no unified political entity known as "Spain," as it was divided into kingdoms like Castile, Aragon, and León.
  • Another participant proposes that considering the 15th century context might be more appropriate, referencing Isabella I and the political unification of Spain.
  • It is noted that Spanish-speaking people currently refer to Columbus as "Cristobal Colón," particularly in Spanish contexts, which may reflect historical pronunciation.
  • A participant humorously remarks on the nature of the discussion, indicating it may not require deep analysis and is more light-hearted in tone.

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Participants express differing views on the relevance of the 14th versus 15th century context for pronunciation, and there is no consensus on the exact pronunciation or its implications.

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Participants acknowledge the complexity of historical pronunciation and the political divisions of the time, which may affect interpretations. There is also a recognition of the humorous aspect of the discussion.

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Readers interested in historical linguistics, the political history of Spain, or the cultural context of names may find this discussion relevant.

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guess: cologne?
 
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That's what I thought...
 
A pronunciation site I found pronounces it "cool loan". No idea what that would imply for 14th century, though...
 
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Pythagorean said:
...no idea what that would imply for 14th century, though

It's Colombus/Colon Day :)
 
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Could this be a trick question? In the 14th Century there was no such place as "Spain". You had Castile, Aragon, Leon, Navarre, etc. Spain as a political unit didn't really exist until the late 15th century with the fall of Granada and the end of the Reconquista.
 
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Maybe 15th cent Spain, or rather what became Spain, would be a better context.

Isabella I (Spanish: Isabel I, Old Spanish: Ysabel I; 22 April 1451 – 26 November 1504), also known as Isabella the Catholic, was queen of Castile and León (Crown of Castile). She and her husband, Ferdinand II of Aragon, brought stability to the kingdoms that became the basis for the political unification of Spain under their grandson, Holy Roman Emperor Charles V. . . . . Isabella and Ferdinand are known . . . . and for supporting and financing Christopher Columbus' 1492 voyage . . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella_I_of_Castile

So it's perhaps best to consider how the name was pronounced in Castilla y León.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Could this be a trick question? In the 14th Century there was no such place as "Spain". You had Castile, Aragon, Leon, Navarre, etc. Spain as a political unit didn't really exist until the late 15th century with the fall of Granada and the end of the Reconquista.

Astronuc said:
May 15th cent Spain, or rather what became Spain, would be a better context.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella_I_of_Castile

So it's perhaps best to consider what how the name was pronounced in Castilla y León.

Sorry, that should have read '15th century', don't drink and post kids...

The point was how 15th century Spanish pronounced 'Columbus' as being very similar to 'Colon', somewhat appropriate considering the kind of person he really was... and that's all ;)

Hope you all had a great Fall Break!
 
I'm pretty sure Spanish-speaking people still call him Cristobal Colón, except when they're talking to English speakers in English.
 
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jtbell said:
I'm pretty sure Spanish-speaking people still call him Cristobal Colón, except when they're talking to English speakers in English.

Probably, the point being it was the people that knew him in the 15th century that first established him as 'Colon'. Don't look too deeply into this one guys, it's just simple humor and my kids thought was hilarious, I need to spend more time with adults...
 
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