How we can solve the problem of the terrorism

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The discussion revolves around the complex issue of terrorism, exploring its causes, potential solutions, and the implications of various political and social factors. Participants examine historical, religious, and governmental influences on terrorism, as well as the role of education and state actions in perpetuating or mitigating the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants identify Arab dictators, the Palestine problem, and religious education in Saudi Arabia as primary reasons for terrorism.
  • Others question whether Islam itself is a cause of terrorism, suggesting that religious extremism is not limited to any one faith.
  • A viewpoint is presented that secular education may not uniformly reduce terrorism, as individuals can possess technological skills while still holding extremist beliefs.
  • There is a suggestion that state actions, particularly by the U.S. government, contribute to terrorism, with some arguing that the state itself is a significant candidate for terrorism.
  • Participants debate the notion that Israel benefits from terrorism, with some arguing that it incurs significant costs and losses due to terrorist actions.
  • Some assert that the occupation of Middle Eastern countries by certain nations is a contributing factor to terrorism.
  • There are claims that terrorism is a resort of extremists who feel powerless, and that the concept of a "War on Terrorism" is overly simplistic and ineffective.
  • Concerns are raised about the impact of political structures on the perpetuation of terrorism and the challenges of achieving peace in the region.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of competing views on the causes of terrorism and the effectiveness of proposed solutions. There is no consensus on the primary factors contributing to terrorism or the best approaches to address it.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various historical and political contexts, but there are limitations in the assumptions made about the relationship between education, governance, and terrorism. The discussion also highlights the complexity of defining terrorism and its causes.

mohd_adam
Of course there are many reasons for the terrorism..

The reasons of the terrorism ( arranged )

1- The Arab dictators ( presidents ) who rule Arabic countries.
2- The Palestine problem
3- The religious education in Saudi Arabia

Who benefit from the terrorism !?
Israel and the The Arab dictators are the only beneficiaries from the terrorism ...
 
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I'm not sure that's the main reason for the IRA or ETA
 
mohd_adam said:
Of course there are many reasons for the terrorism..

The reasons of the terrorism ( arranged )

1- The Arab dictators ( presidents ) who rule Arabic countries.
2- The Palestine problem
3- The religious education in Saudi Arabia

Who benefit from the terrorism !?
Israel and the The Arab dictators are the only beneficiaries from the terrorism ...

would you clear that for me, are you saying Islam causes terrorism?!
 
dear drizzle,
we want to find plan for solving the problem of the terrorism , that is why i wrote the reasons of the terrorism "arranged". If we discussed many, this mean we will waste our times.. I hope if you have any idea about " How we solve ?" , write it... and if you need any information about the history of the terrorism , tell me.. I work as writer and i read many about the terrorism, also i lived before in the middle east and i understand the situation very good.. now i hope you write "how we solve!?"

thanks
 
mohd_adam said:
dear drizzle,
we want to find plan for solving the problem of the terrorism , that is why i wrote the reasons of the terrorism "arranged". If we discussed many, this mean we will waste our times.. I hope if you have any idea about " How we solve ?" , write it... and if you need any information about the history of the terrorism , tell me.. I work as writer and i read many about the terrorism, also i lived before in the middle east and i understand the situation very good.. now i hope you write "how we solve!?"

thanks




well, you must be stating these [reasons] out of research, would you mind to show any related to your third point!
 
drizzle said:
would you clear that for me, are you saying Islam causes terrorism?!
I believe he says "religious education" there. Many terrorist orgs have been made up of religious extremists with not all, or even most, of them being muslim.
 
A common notion is the idea that (secular) education will uniformly reduce terrorism is problematic. It is actually possible to have the technological skills to build a nuclear weapon and still believe in these primitive superstitions.

Furthermore, we forget to mention the top candidate for terrorism - the state.
 
Moridin said:
A common notion is the idea that (secular) education will uniformly reduce terrorism is problematic. It is actually possible to have the technological skills to build a nuclear weapon and still believe in these primitive superstitions.

Furthermore, we forget to mention the top candidate for terrorism - the state.

Which state?
 
Moridin said:
A common notion is the idea that (secular) education will uniformly reduce terrorism is problematic. It is actually possible to have the technological skills to build a nuclear weapon and still believe in these primitive superstitions.

Furthermore, we forget to mention the top candidate for terrorism - the state.

Secular education is not a silver bullet. It will however lead to a broader view of the world than spending years memorizing a 1500 year old religious tract. In the long term secular education can also help in reducing poverty, another contributing factor.

Skippy
 
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drankin said:
Which state?

In this context I was thinking mostly about the U.S government, but should really apply to most or all governments.
 
  • #11
Israel doesn't benefit from terrorism

Hi mohd_adam! :smile:
mohd_adam said:
Israel and the The Arab dictators are the only beneficiaries from the terrorism ...

How does Israel benefit from terrorism? :confused:

Israel loses lots of lives to terrorism, and has to spend hundreds of millions of dollars annually on security measures.

And Israel's relations with the Palestinians have to be the opposite of what Israel would like, to achieve peace with them.

Where is the benefit to Israel in any of that? :confused:
 
  • #12
And Israel's relations with the Palestinians have to be the opposite of what Israel would like, to achieve peace with them.

From what I understand in your post, you meant that in order to achieve peace with Palestinians, their relations with Israeliis has to be the opposite of what the Israeliis would like !

-from what I know about you, I know you didn't mean that, but I wanted to make sure- :)
 
  • #13


tiny-tim said:
How does Israel benefit from terrorism?

Israel loses lots of lives to terrorism, and has to spend hundreds of millions of dollars annually on security measures.
That money goes into the pockets of he Israeli political structure though the settlement industry, and the arms and security industries which revolve around the occupation. As for the lives lost, the callous of the ruling class can console themselves with the fact that more Israelis die in car accidents than to the conflict. Besides, it's not like they live in Sderot, and when was the last time Israel lost anyone of prominence to terrorism? In my recollection that would be Rabin, who as I'm sure you know was assassinated by an extremist Israeli settler.

Granted, I have no doubt that the majority of the Israeli population would benefit more from pursuing peace, but they aren't the ones running the show.
 
  • #14
it might help is *ahem* certain countries didn't occupy middle eastern countries.
 
  • #15
qntty said:
it might help is *ahem* certain countries didn't occupy middle eastern countries.
That is an excellent idea, though unfortunately we have our own political structure which is heavily invested in continuing to do just that.
 
  • #16
We have the silver bullet in our laptops, on our desktops, and in our hands, this instant communication with people all around the world, gives everyone the power to be informed in a timely manor and no longer be too much victims of slanted misinformation.

This thread should be one small testament to the closeness of better days.:smile:

Ron
 
  • #17
Fttt. Even some of us Kafir know what is inspired in Mosques and indoctrinated in small boys in Madras.

You don't like terrorism? These are where it starts.

You don't like occupation? These are the causes.

You don't like tyrannical governments in the middle east? These are what enable them.
 
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  • #18
the nut shell of this problem is stated in three lines

Phrak said:
You don't like terrorism? These are where it starts.

You don't like occupation? These are the causes.

You don't like tyrannical governments in the middle east? These are what enable them.

nice words
 
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  • #19
Terrorism is the resort of extremists who are otherwise powerless. Don't like abortion? Kill a doctor who performs abortion. Pretty simple.

The idea that a country can declare and wage a "War on Terrorism" is absolutely ridiculous, and the idea is fit for a comic book, not for a cornerstone of foreign policy. Unfortunately, W and his posse enriched their buddies under just such an ignorant scheme, to the detriment of thousands of US troops who were killed or wounded and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who were killed, wounded, or made permanent refugees. Anybody care to guess how many Iragi Christians can never dare to return home for fear of being tortured and killed by their Shiite or Sunni neighbors? Saddam was a real jerk, but to his credit, he never allowed religious extremism to flower in Iraq, and as a result, Iraq was the most progressive Arab nation in terms of women's rights, etc.
 
  • #20


kyleb said:
As for the lives lost, the callous of the ruling class …

What ruling class? :confused:

Are you a Marxist who's just stepped out of a time machine? :biggrin:

Israel isn't Victorian England, or modern Saudi Arabia. :rolleyes:

Israel is a proportional-representation democracy, with members of parliament from all classes (including communist and Arab), whose voters are willing for the country to pay a high financial price for such things as health services and security. :approve:
tiny-tim said:
mohd_adam said:
Israel and the The Arab dictators are the only beneficiaries from the terrorism
Israel … has to spend hundreds of millions of dollars annually on security measures.
…
Where is the benefit to Israel in any of that? :confused:
kyleb said:
That money goes into the pockets of he Israeli political structure though the settlement industry, and the arms and security industries which revolve around the occupation.

uhh? The security measures against terrorism are still a huge amount of money that has to come from the taxpayer, and can't be used for anything else.

Before terrorism :smile:, the Israeli and Palestinian economies were interlinked, with great benefit to both of them. Terrorism has stopped all that, and has instead led to considerable financial burdens on both sides.
 
  • #21


And Israel's relations with the Palestinians have to be the opposite of what Israel would like, to achieve peace with them.

Excuse me; how do you know that Israelis want peace?

First.. They are not angles.. they took the land by killing people and frightening the others to leave...so you can`t just TRUST/BELIEVE what they say..they are not angles..


Second.. if its about "agreements" and their readiness to make some agreements..
A)They already have most of the land and all of the important places..so sure its better for them to have "peace" after "stealing"..
B)Palestinians are ready to make peace... because they are the weakest in this game.. they have to accept peace right now... but surely they won`t accept an agreement that states the right of Israel to keep seiging Gaza and other stuff like that.. and the Gazans give them "peace" for "peace"..
 
  • #22
Before terrorism , the Israeli and Palestinian economies were interlinked, with great benefit to both of them. Terrorism has stopped all that, and has instead led to considerable financial burdens on both sides.

when did that "terrorism" exactly start?

How did the Zionists who were living everywhere in the world take palestinians land??
(maybe u`d answer the british minister "Belford" gave it to them... but that would be a totally nonpractical answer... I`m asking how the zionists really occupy that peace of land? how did this technically happen?)
 
  • #23
uhh? The security measures against terrorism are still a huge amount of money that has to come from the taxpayer, and can't be used for anything else.

Money is not a big issue to Israel..
Zionists own most of the most important businesses in this world..
what is important to them is to occupy as much as can be, and make sure the palestinians have, do and behave the way they (the Israelis) want..
 
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  • #24
Israel isn't Victorian England, or modern Saudi Arabia.
Nor are they Egypt..

well, Saudi arabia and Egypt ruling class have 100% good relationships with Israel and USA (and here, USA forgets about "democracy".. there best friends are dectatores!)

Lebanon on the otherside, Israeli`s enemy, has just been through a democratic governmental elections which has gone so smoothly..
 
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  • #25
Sorry I`ve gone a little bit off topic..
back to the main issue..

how do we solve the problem of terrorism?

two points i`d like to mention..
1) if you weren`t fair, don`t think the people wouldn`t go mad..
sometimes if you really hurt someone, he`ll totally go mad.. some people would "literally" go mad.. some of them become exactly terrorists..

2) you have to make distinction of who is really a terrorists, and who is really just defending himself..
 
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  • #26


wajed said:
when did that "terrorism" exactly start?

"terrorism" by Palestinians within Israel (as opposed to in pre-1948 Palestine) seems to have started after the Oslo accords in 1993.
How did the Zionists who were living everywhere in the world take palestinians land??
(maybe u`d answer the british minister "Belford" gave it to them... but that would be a totally nonpractical answer... I`m asking how the zionists really occupy that peace of land? how did this technically happen?)

(btw, it's "Balfour")

Until the 1948 war, the Jews didn't take any land …
they simply bought land from the Arab owners, and settled on it.
 
  • #27


tiny-tim said:
Until the 1948 war, the Jews didn't take any land …
they simply bought land from the Arab owners, and settled on it.

what about Lebanon, and what happened to the people there? were they about to simply bought land from the Lebanese owners, and settled on it. didn't Israel occupy the southern region for decades, and when the group of Hezbulallah appears and get the land back to the Lebanese, they’ve been distinguished as the most terrorist organization …give me a break
 
  • #28


drizzle said:
tiny-tim said:
Until the 1948 war, the Jews didn't take any land …
they simply bought land from the Arab owners, and settled on it.

what about Lebanon, and what happened to the people there? were they about to simply bought land from the Lebanese owners, and settled on it. didn't Israel occupy the southern region for decades, and when the group of Hezbulallah appears and get the land back to the Lebanese, they’ve been distinguished as the most terrorist organization …give me a break

uhh? whatever are you talking about? :confused:

i] that wasn't before 1948

ii] there were no Jewish settlers in Lebanon. :rolleyes:
 
  • #29
"terrorism" by Palestinians within Israel (as opposed to in pre-1948 Palestine)
you need to prove sir that pre-1948 jews were being mistreated..
and it seems so much unreasonable what you claim..

1)10% of the palestinians were jews, how could such a big number not make big conflict if they were mistreated?

2)what would the muslim/christian palestinians have against the palestinian jews specially? Christian and Muslim palestinians have and still are living with each other..

so.. there was nothing called Israel.. and there was no religional conflicts.. so why would the christian/muslim palestinians mistreat jewish palestinians?
3)when you use the word "terrorism" you mean "muslim terrorists", while muslims think that Jesus and Moses are equal, and are messengers from God... it really won`t make sense if they practiced terrorism against Jews and lived with Jesus people peacefully.. Jews and Christians are totally alike to muslims..
 
  • #30
seems to have started after the Oslo accords in 1993.
Israeli/Palestinian conflict has never stopped..
fire never stopped..
you are claiming that Israelis and Palestinians have lived for decades peacefully (after 1948)!

should I bring some facts to support that what you call "terrorism" hasn`t started in 1993?
 

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