How Will Lower Liquid Helium Costs Impact Superconductor Development?

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The discussion revolves around the impact of decreasing liquid helium costs on the development of superconductors, particularly in relation to the use of liquid nitrogen and liquid helium as cooling agents. Participants explore the implications of these changes in cost on the field of superconductivity.

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  • Participants question the relative advantages of liquid helium versus liquid nitrogen in superconductivity, particularly regarding their temperatures and costs. There are attempts to clarify the concept of absolute zero and its implications for superconductors.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the characteristics of superconductors and the cooling methods used. Some guidance has been offered regarding the temperatures at which superconductors operate and the cost implications of using different cooling liquids. Multiple interpretations of the impact of helium cost on research direction are being explored.

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There is some confusion regarding the definitions of absolute zero and the temperatures of liquid helium and nitrogen. Participants are also navigating the distinction between superconductors and the cooling agents used to achieve superconductivity.

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Liquid Nitrogen vs. Liquid Helium

The reason that liquid nitrogen temperature superconductors are important is that liquid nitrogen costs less than liquid helium. New technologies to store liquid helium have been developed in the last year. This has brought the cost of liquid helium down. how might this affect the direction of the field?

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Hi, the absolute zero is -173 right?

This is equal to 0 Kalvins right?
So which is a better superconducter?
Liquid Helium @ 3 K
Liquid Nitrogen @ 77K

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The unit is called Kelvin, and absolute zero is 0 Kelvin or -273 degrees celsius.
 
Absolute zero is characterised as 0 kelvins or 0 degrees Rankine, −273.15 °C, −459.67 °F.
i'm not a chemist, but i bash chemists for their incompetence.
I would suppose liquid nitrogen...
 
gapgirl1010 said:
Hi, the absolute zero is -173 right?

This is equal to 0 Kalvins right?
So which is a better superconducter?
Liquid Helium @ 3 K
Liquid Nitrogen @ 77K

PLease HelP!

It's -273.15 degrees celsius. celsius to kelvin is an easy conversion since 1 degree celsius is the same as one kelvin, so T(kelvin) = T(celsius) + 273.15 degrees.

Understand first that Helium and Nitrogen aren't superconductors. They're used to cool the superconductors. Once you drop the temperature of the superconductive substance low enough, the internal resistance drops to near zero (it becomes a superconductor.) As far as what's going on with the superconductive material, they're both going to behave the same way once they reach the critical temperature.

The main difference is going to be cost. With it's higher boiling point, liquid nitrogen is *much* cheaper than liquid helium. The superconductor with the higher critical temperature will be more attractive from that perspective.
 
OKay, I get that thanks!
 
Well, first look at the boiling point of each liquid. Nitrogen condenses at 77 K while Helium condenses at 4.22 K.
It becomes increasingly expensive to cool something down. The closer to absolute zero (0K) something is cooled, the more it will cost.
Now, I believe that most superconductors must be chilled down below roughly 60 K. Most of the research today has been focusing on creating superconductors that can be cooled by Nitrogen.
Given this information and the information you already stated, how do you think the direction of the field will be affected?
~Steve
 
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I have merged the 2 He/Hy threads, one is enough.
 

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