How would you engineer the perfect human?

[Another God]

Originally posted by Iacchus32
I think "estranged" from the whole process is probably the best way to put it? Indeed I think it's indicative to a basic flaw in the theory that we merely arrived here by natural selection alone, not that I believe the whole theory is invalid ...

I don't get why you think it is indicative of a flaw in NS...? Because we are smart, NS is invalid?

 

[Another God]

I had a quick look at chap 2 of your book...but quickly stopped reading. I can't take stuff like this seriously:

Number 230 Theory
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This prompts my theory about the number 230, which I believe correlates with the number of chapters in the book of Revelation—22. For instance, Revelation 21 deals with the Marriage of Heaven and Earth or, the instituting of the New Church: "And I John saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." (vs 2). Hence the number 21 signifies the marriage or, the ceremony itself. While Revelation 22 deals with the exploration of this new church: "And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and the Lamb." (vs 1). Here, the river signifying an abundance of truths—divine truths—to which John is led into through his understanding (what a river signifies in spiritual terms). And, as it regards this heavenly marriage, I see the number 22 corresponding to the honeymoon or, wedding night.


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Beyond that, the number 23—hence the correlation to 230—signifies the "new life," as it unfolds beyond the new church: a state of true intercourse, within the state of marriage. Thus when multiplied by 10, the number 23 becomes 230, which doesn't suggest much, except when viewed in terms of a pattern. For when multiplying 230 by 10, you come up with 2,300 which, when subtracted from the number 1757—as corresponds to the Last Judgment and the role Emanuel Swedenborg played—you come up with 543 BC.
The Year 543 BC[/size]
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That which is significant about the year 543 BC, is that it occurred shortly after the period the kingdom of Judah was taken captive by the Babylonians (between 605 and 560 BC).

I mean, seriously...how strung out were you to make that series of connections? it's not like anyone of them are at all obvious, let alone even related? 230 is related to the 22 chapters of revelations? How? And then that only makes sense if you divide it by ten, because if you were to times it by ten, you would get 2300, which = 543 when 1757 is subtracted from it, which is ALMOST related to some other thing... Are you nuts?

Lets say that I am not amazed that no one else has seen this amazing number game you have found.

 

[Iacchus32]

Originally posted by Another God
[/b]I don't get why you think it is indicative of a flaw in NS...? Because we are smart, NS is invalid?

Actually if we were "really smart" we would probably be living in accord with Mother Nature, which kind of belies the nature of "the fall" now doesn't it? In which case I'm not sure smart is the best way to put it?

Other than that, I don't see why the natural world itself couldn't have come about via "natural selection."

 

[Another God]

Originally posted by Iacchus32
Actually if we were "really smart" we would probably be living in accord with Mother Nature

Why would we? All i see of nature is death, killing, suffering and loss. I think get the hell out of their as soon as we could is the smartest thing we have done.

 

[Iacchus32]

Originally posted by Another God
Why would we? All i see of nature is death, killing, suffering and loss. I think get the hell out of their as soon as we could is the smartest thing we have done.

And yet nothing goes to waste. Can you say the same thing for us humans?

 

[Iacchus32]

Originally posted by Another God
I had a quick look at chap 2 of your book...but quickly stopped reading. I can't take stuff like this seriously:

Am afraid I can't let you off the hook quite so easily here. And, while I admit the numbers thing may sound a bit screwy (this was one of the first chapters I wrote way back when by the way), when plotted against the timeline of history, you may begin to see it yields some interesting results.

I also realize it may not have been the best thing to point you directly to this link, because you obviously aren't readily convinced. I probably should have left it with asking you to read the first three chapters. Which, I recommend you still do so if you're interested, at least chapter 1 anyway, since it doesn't deal with numbers so much. Also, you might want to consider reading chapter 5, which is the pivotal chapter of the book, and explains the timeline in accord with the year 1987, otherwise the rest of it becomes meaningless.

Anyway, for the sake of clarification, here's the latter half of chapter 2 which shows some of the numbers plotted in accord with the timeline I'm referring to ...

Recorded History


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Whereas like the Church of Adam, we don't have much of a record of the Church of Noah either. So what of recorded history? Why doesn't it go beyond 4,000 BC? Is it possible there was some great deluge prior to this, say around 5,143 BC that wiped everything out? Thus putting it on the same time line as Noah? That's an interesting thought? While it's curious how the earliest known cities in Mesopotamia, called the cradle of civilization, were carbon-test dated between 4,000 and 5,000 BC. So where's the rest of our history?


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And what of the Israelite Church which came later? Now there's quite a discrepancy between 2,843 BC and 1,200 BC. Yet Abraham, the father of Isaac and Jacob (Israel) left Babylonia (Sumeria) around 2,100 BC, which is getting closer. Could it be because he was from Babylonia that it might involve events occurring before his arrival in Canaan? After all, the Jews were taken captive by the Babylonians between 605 and 560 BC, and released just five years after 543 BC, at the dawn of the Christian Age, suggesting the Israelite Church begins and ends with, Babylonia. Had they gone back to live with their parents?


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And what of the city of Babylon, with its infamous Tower of Babel, which was founded between 3,000 and 2,800 BC? Where according to the Bible, the peoples of the Earth all spoke the same language, before they were confounded and scattered abroad? (Genesis 11:1-9). Suggesting this was a common point of departure from that which many assert was native to Adam and Noah, the Hebrew Tongue. Thus in effect a Last Judgment had been performed at this time. Similar to the Jewish Diaspora after the Babylonian exile? And indeed the lineage of Abraham, together with the lineage of Hebrew, begins in the very next verse following the dispersion at Babel. (Genesis 11:10-32).


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While another thing occurring during this period was the beginning of the dynastic periods of Mesopotamia (Sumeria) and Egypt, with both sharing a similar pictograph style of writing with the early Hebrews. Suggesting a common ancestor? Is this what the Tower of Babel represented? And so it is the Israelites' sojourn to Egypt began only 276 years after Abraham arrived in Canaan, and ended with their Exodus 430 years later, suggesting all three should have a common origin. And, where the Tower of Babel symbolizes the end of the second church, with its construction halted before its completion, the great pyramids in Egypt began construction towards the beginning of the third church—which, is the triangle completing itself at its apex. Perhaps there's some other scheme involved here?

Does that make any more sense? ... Clear as mud right?

Originally posted by Another God
I mean, seriously...how strung out were you to make that series of connections? it's not like anyone of them are at all obvious, let alone even related? 230 is related to the 22 chapters of revelations? How? And then that only makes sense if you divide it by ten, because if you were to times it by ten, you would get 2300, which = 543 when 1757 is subtracted from it, which is ALMOST related to some other thing... Are you nuts?

By the way, do you think it's possible that God speaks to us through numbers? If we can use numbers to predict the results of everything else, why not God? Which thus becomes the whole point, for if I didn't recognize a definite pattern here, then I would be nuts for bringing it up!

Lets say that I am not amazed that no one else has seen this amazing number game you have found.

Rather than take up any more space on this thread (sorry about that Ivan), perhaps I should consider starting a new thread, which I think I will. Thanks!


Chapter 1 | Chapter 2 | Chapter 3 | Chapter 5

 

[Iacchus32]

A Flaw in the Theory of Natural Selection?

In case anyone is interested, I've created a new thread, A Flaw in the Theory of Natural Selection?, if you wish to continue the above discussion. Thanks!