Hubble's Redshift: Conclusions and Vacuum Solutions

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of Hubble's redshift observations and the potential origins of redshift, including gravitational or geometrical factors. Participants explore the implications of vacuum solutions of Einstein's equations and their relationship to the observed phenomena in cosmology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the observed redshift could have a gravitational or geometrical origin, questioning Hubble's conclusions about the motion of distant galaxies.
  • There is a suggestion that the redshift has a "metric" origin, referencing external sources for further reading on the mechanisms of redshift.
  • One participant expresses a belief that the redshift is primarily a relativistic Doppler effect, indicating a common misconception that may exist in popular understanding.
  • Another participant notes the complexity of cosmology and the potential for misconceptions in popularized accounts, emphasizing the importance of understanding the underlying concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the origins of redshift, with some supporting the idea of a metric origin while others emphasize the relativistic Doppler effect. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations present.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of cosmological concepts and the potential for misconceptions, but do not resolve the specific mathematical or theoretical implications of vacuum solutions in relation to redshift.

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The far away galaxies are moving faster which Hubble concluded from their redshift. Could he also have come to the conclusion that the observed redshift is of gravitational (or more generally: geometrical, as resulting from a "weird" metric) origin ?

Does anybody know what a vacuum solution of Einstein's equations would have to look like in order to attract objects to the outside (if that's possible at all) ? What sources (energy-momentum distribution) would this imply ?
 
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Thanks, EL,

this clears it up. I've always thought that this was relativistic Doppler redshift. At least it's reassuring to know that Hubble and friends did also think that at first. Of course I've heard the term Robertson-Walker metric before, but as it is, I have not paid much attention to it.
 
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Thanks, EL,

this clears it up. I've always thought that this was relativistic Doppler redshift. At least it's reassuring to know that Hubble and friends did also think that at first. Of course I've heard the term Robertson-Walker metric before, but as it is, I have not paid much attention to it.

As you learn more cosmology, you'll be surprised how many misconceptions there exist in the popular view of the subject. Basically everything is actually quite complex, and when it is popularized a lot of stuff is left out. Unfortunately it's often not just the details, but also important basic concepts, which gets excluded.
 

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