Human rights and the police (misconduct)

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Mr. Rodriguez, a gang member on parole, was detained for violating his parole and is under investigation for additional charges. The American Civil Liberties Union has called for the suspension of the police officer who kicked him while he was already subdued, labeling the act as police abuse. The incident has sparked debate about police conduct, with some arguing that the officer's actions were unjustifiable regardless of Rodriguez's criminal background. Concerns about rising police abuses have been raised, questioning whether such incidents are more visible now due to increased video documentation. The discussion emphasizes the need for accountability and proper conduct from law enforcement officers.
  • #61
russ_watters said:
... and the defense attorney is just doing his job.

I was going on the assumption that his attorney is a no good crook by default since he's a lawyer. How did that profession ever become respectable? I sware they are legal scam artists.
 
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  • #62
Cyrus said:
Wrong. The cop and his suspect should be in jail. The suspect should not walk.

What(?)...you said this at the top of the thread:

"hAHAHAH he got rocked in the face. That officer is an idiot because now they guy is going to walk away from his crime. That cop should be fired."

You seemed to have enjoyed the fact that the cop kicked the guy...now you're outraged. Make up your mind...or at least clarify your point.
 
  • #63
WhoWee said:
What(?)...you said this at the top of the thread:

"hAHAHAH he got rocked in the face. That officer is an idiot because now they guy is going to walk away from his crime. That cop should be fired."
.

One is "is" and other is "should"
 
  • #64
WhoWee said:
What(?)...you said this at the top of the thread:

"hAHAHAH he got rocked in the face. That officer is an idiot because now they guy is going to walk away from his crime. That cop should be fired."

You seemed to have enjoyed the fact that the cop kicked the guy...now you're outraged. Make up your mind...or at least clarify your point.

I am happy he got kicked in the face, becaue he got what was coming to him. That doesn't make it right.

Think of it this way. Ever been in a bar with an annyoing person, and then seen that guy get socked in the mouth? You don't feel bad for him, but that doesn't mean its right.

I was actually think about this a few days ago. We often say "he got what he deserved" but here that's clearly a wrong use of words. Did he 'deserve' that? No. He only deserves to get what the law sentences him to. (And I'm glad i didnt say he got what he deserved here). All he 'deserved' is a fair trial.
 
  • #65
turbo-1 said:
One of my best friends was the chief of the Maine warden service. His son hollered down from upstairs that he had just heard a shot (out-of-season, and after dark and they lived in an area frequented by deer poachers). Parker jumped out of his chair, and in his underwear and T-shirt raced after the truck passing by. A passenger in the truck took a couple of shots at him during the chase, during which he called for backup. The driver ditched the truck and the occupants bailed out and ran into the woods. Parker chased them into the woods. A trooper showed up on the scene and blipped his siren, so Parker ran back to the road. The trooper had some training clothes in the trunk, so Parker grabbed a set of sweats and some sweat-socks (still no shoes) and the trooper's back-up sidearm. They headed into the woods and apprehended one of the perps pretty quickly, and got the other one not too long after. My friend got shot at, chased the a$$holes through the woods in his underwear (with sweats, later), and managed to apprehend the poachers without kicking them in the face or any other childish crap.

Want to make an argument about adrenaline, pursuit, and confrontation? It won't wash. Real adult law-enforcement personnel put their lives at risk AND they follow the law, so that they don't contaminate their cases and put the convictions at risk.

Crazy story!

Good point too.
 
  • #66
WhoWee said:
LP...Did the officer really act in a "lawless" manner?

Yes.

Res ipsa loquitur.

Book'em Danno.
 
  • #67
turbo-1 said:
One of my best friends was the chief of the Maine warden service. His son hollered down from upstairs that he had just heard a shot (out-of-season, ...
back-up sidearm. They headed into the woods and apprehended one of the perps pretty quickly, and got the other one not too long after.
No less thrilling here.

My friend got shot at, chased the a$$holes through the woods in his underwear (with sweats, later), and managed to apprehend the poachers without kicking them in the face or any other childish crap.

You know there was only one kick that lasted like few milliseconds? First, there is no way of telling if that didn't happen there too unless you were also there. Second, that and this are two different circumstances. And lastly, I don't see how you are using this to prove that an average policeman can deal with any situation perfectly without losing self control. I argued that they have limits and things don't go perfect all the times.
 
  • #68
rootX said:
No less thrilling here.



You know there was only one kick that lasted like few milliseconds? First, there is no way of telling if that didn't happen there too unless you were also there. Second, that and this are two different circumstances. And lastly, I don't see how you are using this to prove that an average policeman can deal with any situation perfectly without losing self control. I argued that they have limits and things don't go perfect all the times.

I hope a police officer boots you in the head when he sees you stealing.

Oooppss... caught in the moment.

Note: Moral, it's not for the police officer to determine your punishment. Turns out you didn't steal. Well, uh... mistakes happen. Looks like he thought you stole cause you were next to a thief.
 
  • #69
JasonRox said:
I hope a police officer boots you in the head when he sees you stealing.

Oooppss... caught in the moment.

Note: Moral, it's not for the police officer to determine your punishment. Turns out you didn't steal. Well, uh... mistakes happen. Looks like he thought you stole cause you were next to a thief.

That's not even close to the circumstances in the OP.

I think I would deserve that if I try best to kill the officer .. and surrender when all fails.
 
  • #70
rootX said:
That's not even close to the circumstances in the OP.

I think I would deserve that if I try best to kill the officer .. and surrender when all fails.

See my post about the use of the word deserve.
 
  • #71
rootX said:
That's not even close to the circumstances in the OP.

I think I would deserve that if I try best to kill the officer .. and surrender when all fails.

You still don't deserve a beat to the head.

If that's what he deserves, then no need for a trial. He already got what he deserved according to you. Should set him free now.
 
  • #72
Cyrus said:
See my post about the use of the word deserve.

Yes true but here when I used the word "deserved" I meant that I wouldn't be expecting the officer to behave professionally/nicely when I try my best to push his limits and cooperate when I am left with no more alternatives to kill the officer. (I agree that officer would be misconducting by law in this case)
 
  • #73
I agree that the cop is not qualified to determine whether the suspect deserves a kick in the head. It's the judge's job to say what should happen to the guy, if he's guilty. For all we know, the guy had a perfectly legitimate reason to run from the cops. If I thought the cops would brutalize me for no reason, I might run too.
 
  • #74
AUMathTutor said:
For all we know, the guy had a perfectly legitimate reason to run from the cops. If I thought the cops would brutalize me for no reason, I might run too.

Let me see if I understand.:rolleyes:

I guess OJ made fleeing the police a cool thing to do...especially if you want to prove that you're innocent...the longer you run, the more lives you endanger, the bigger the television spectacle...the more afraid of police brutality you become?:smile::smile::smile:

Actually, it makes sense...look at the poor little terror suspects sitting in Guantanamo...we've taken away their right to create "manmade disaters" and subjected them to enhanced interrogation techniques...unlike their more basic methods...like cutting off heads.

Have they disclosed which drug gang to which the subject of our thread is a member? Does he have any other cases or charges pending...that's always a good reason to flee the police.

Maybe the police should just start shooting criminals who run...so they don't kill any innocent pedestrians in their drive for freedom.
 
  • #75
In America you're innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
 
  • #76
AUMathTutor said:
In America you're innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

Or (more often) public opinion. Did you hear the subject of our thread was running because he feared police brutality...he was innocent and the kick proved it.:rolleyes:
 
  • #77
WhoWee said:
Or (more often) public opinion. Did you hear the subject of our thread was running because he feared police brutality...he was innocent and the kick proved it.:rolleyes:

I don't think anyone said that, and if they did don't lump that crap with the statements I have made. Put a name behind what people are saying. Don't associate me with that. :mad:
 
  • #78
WhoWee said:
Let me see if I understand.:rolleyes:

I guess OJ made fleeing the police a cool thing to do...especially if you want to prove that you're innocent...the longer you run, the more lives you endanger, the bigger the television spectacle...the more afraid of police brutality you become?:smile::smile::smile:

Actually, it makes sense...look at the poor little terror suspects sitting in Guantanamo...we've taken away their right to create "manmade disaters" and subjected them to enhanced interrogation techniques...unlike their more basic methods...like cutting off heads.

Have they disclosed which drug gang to which the subject of our thread is a member? Does he have any other cases or charges pending...that's always a good reason to flee the police.

Maybe the police should just start shooting criminals who run...so they don't kill any innocent pedestrians in their drive for freedom.

I have generally found that answering a bad post with an equally if not worse post, tends not to help. I find your comments about GITMO disturbing as a fellow American, because as a proud amurikan your comments make you sound less and less like you understand the principles of American democracy.
 
  • #79
Cyrus said:
I don't think anyone said that, and if they did don't lump that crap with the statements I have made. Put a name behind what people are saying. Don't associate me with that. :mad:

No...you're just glad that he was kicked in the face because he deserved it...but he really didn't deserve it...or something like that?:smile:
 
  • #80
WhoWee said:
No...you're just glad that he was kicked in the face because he deserved it...but he really didn't deserve it...or something like that?:smile:

How do you not understand what I wrote? I never said he 'deserved' to get kicked in the head - in fact I explicitly said the oposite and made a post entirely on the use of the word deserve.
 
  • #81
You can joke about it all you want, but I wonder how the people who get beat to death by cops feel about it.

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2008/09/19/atlanta_police_suit.html?cxntlid=inform_artr

http://www.oregoninjurylawyerblog.com/2008/12/oregon_wrongful_death_trial_al.html

http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/police-brutality-ian-tomlinson-was-attacked-by-the-police-before-his-death/18224093

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Pennsylvania_police_investigating_death_of_tased_0806.html

I don't know whether to be more afraid of drug dealers or the police. Oh, wait. No brainer. The drug dealers won't come into my house and beat me to death for no reason.
 
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  • #82
AUMathTutor said:
You can joke about it all you want, but I wonder how the people who get beat to death by cops feel about it.

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2008/09/19/atlanta_police_suit.html?cxntlid=inform_artr

http://www.oregoninjurylawyerblog.com/2008/12/oregon_wrongful_death_trial_al.html

http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/police-brutality-ian-tomlinson-was-attacked-by-the-police-before-his-death/18224093

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Pennsylvania_police_investigating_death_of_tased_0806.html

I don't know whether to be more afraid of drug dealers or the police. Oh, wait. No brainer. The drug dealers won't come into my house and beat me to death for no reason.

The point you are trying to make is a weak one. Apples and oranges here.
 
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  • #83
Cyrus said:
I have generally found that answering a bad post with an equally if not worse post, tends not to help. I find your comments about GITMO disturbing as a fellow American, because as a proud amurikan your comments make you sound less and less like you understand the principles of American democracy.

Sticks and stones Cyrus...nope, I'm just a happy fellow...not a care in the world...hmmmmmm. Please don't deny me my happiness with your personal attacks.:smile:
 
  • #84
WhoWee said:
Sticks and stones Cyrus...nope, I'm just a happy fellow...not a care in the world...hmmmmmm. Please don't deny me my happiness with your personal attacks.:smile:

Right now, you remind me of glenn beck. He also sticks his fingers in his ears and only hears what he wants to hear.
 
  • #85
"The point you are trying to make is a weak one. Apples and oranges here."

How on Earth is it a weak point? If this sort of behavior is sanctioned, it will only become more and more commonplace. I don't know how, as a human being, the thought that the people who are sworn to protect us would just as soon beat the **** out of us doesn't make you angry, sad, or afraid. It doesn't make any sense to me. In my mind it's indefensible.

There are legitimate reasons for running from the police. I will be happy to name several if you want to go down that road. Regardless of the legitimacy or legality of the alleged evasion, you cannot assault people with no consequences. I can't do it, the President of the US can't do it, and a street cop in LA can't do it either.
 
  • #86
I wonder how you would feel if the criminal had been trying to mug the cop, and had kicked him in the head when he was prostrate on the ground, ready to surrender his stuff. Then punched him in the gut. Then the criminal's slime-bag attorney says that it was just a distraction and does not constitute assault.
 
  • #87
AUMathTutor said:
You can joke about it all you want, but I wonder how the people who get beat to death by cops feel about it.

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2008/09/19/atlanta_police_suit.html?cxntlid=inform_artr

http://www.oregoninjurylawyerblog.com/2008/12/oregon_wrongful_death_trial_al.html

http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/police-brutality-ian-tomlinson-was-attacked-by-the-police-before-his-death/18224093

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Pennsylvania_police_investigating_death_of_tased_0806.html

I don't know whether to be more afraid of drug dealers or the police. Oh, wait. No brainer. The drug dealers won't come into my house and beat me to death for no reason.


You're right, it's not a joke...why didn't you post about the recent cop killing spree we've just endured...Oakland for instance?

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_11970.../03/22/hes_not_a_monster_says_oakland_cop.php
 
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  • #88
AUMathTutor said:
There are legitimate reasons for running from the police. I will be happy to name several if you want to go down that road. Regardless of the legitimacy or legality of the alleged evasion, you cannot assault people with no consequences.

Yes...please name EVERY good reason to break the law and run from the police.
 
  • #89
Cyrus said:
Right now, you remind me of glenn beck. He also sticks his fingers in his ears and only hears what he wants to hear.

More name calling?

This was your first post on the subject..."hAHAHAH he got rocked in the face. That officer is an idiot because now they guy is going to walk away from his crime. That cop should be fired."

Now you're upset because I made a funny.:zzz:
 
  • #90
I don't support the killing of police officers. But to be a police officer comes with certain risks and responsibilities. When you put on the uniform, you know that you might be killed. You accept that risk. You have a responsibility to protect and serve the public - before yourself.

Suspects of crimes have made no such commitment. By being in America, they agree to adhere to the law OR to be punished according to the law. Therefore, it is a violation of civil rights for a police officer to beat up a suspect.

I shudder to think what the world would be like if the law said it was alright for police officers to beat up suspects. So much for freedom and human rights.
 

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