Human rights and the police (misconduct)

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The discussion revolves around allegations of police misconduct, specifically focusing on an incident where a police officer was recorded kicking a suspect who had surrendered. Participants explore the implications of this incident for human rights, police behavior, and public perception of law enforcement. The conversation touches on broader themes of police abuse, accountability, and the role of video evidence in documenting such events.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express outrage over the police officer's actions, describing them as an egregious example of police abuse, particularly given that the suspect was in a surrender position.
  • Others argue that the suspect's status as a parolee complicates the situation, suggesting that his prior actions may justify a harsher response from law enforcement.
  • A few participants question whether police abuses are increasing or if they are simply more visible now due to widespread video recording.
  • Some contributions highlight the potential for systemic issues within law enforcement, including racial profiling and the treatment of minorities during police encounters.
  • There are differing opinions on the appropriate disciplinary actions for the officers involved, with some advocating for termination while others suggest that discipline should be more measured.
  • One participant raises the idea that public perception of police actions may be influenced by media coverage and the framing of incidents.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the implications of the incident, with some viewing it as a clear case of police misconduct and others emphasizing the suspect's criminal background as a mitigating factor. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader question of whether police abuses are on the rise or merely more documented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific incidents and broader patterns of behavior within law enforcement, but there is no consensus on the interpretation of these events or their implications for police practices.

  • #121
JasonRox said:
Life?

I thought you said you wanted fair trial. You just contradicted yourself.

Running from the cops doesn't give you life.

It is fair. He ran from the police, endangered everyone around him including himself, and tried to kill a police officer using a car. Thats life.

I never contradicted myself.
 
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  • #122
Cyrus said:
It is fair. He ran from the police, endangered everyone around him including himself, and tried to kill a police officer using a car. Thats life.

I never contradicted myself.

Normally you don't get life for much less than premeditated murder. And even then you can get less than life.
 
  • #123
TheStatutoryApe said:
Normally you don't get life for much less than premeditated murder. And even then you can get less than life.

Ok fair enough, the maximum sentence for his crime.
 
  • #124
Ivan Seeking said:
It is one in the same job because in this case, the police ARE criminals.

At least now, finally, the bad ones, which in this case was ALL of them, are [sometimes] getting caught. The brotherhood has always been far too self-serving.

Yes they all are criminals (if misconducting in the police department is equivalent to committing crime) by law, but I disagree that they all are bad. One type of the guys (I should point out who are humans - I don't know how you see the policemen but IMO they don't have extraordinary abilities.) are risking their lives so that the other type don't go and harm innocents.

Gokul43201 said:
What is the problem with that headline?

As usual, it only focuses on how the police is wrong.

As I said before, police is a profession like every other profession (and they are also being underpaid IMO for taking all the media and public BS). Most agree that is a tough profession.
 
  • #125
Cyrus said:
Ok fair enough, the maximum sentence for his crime.

I rather get kicked and punched like that guy did than serve life. Damn.

Kick me in the balls too.

Headbutt too.

Punch me in the chest too.

Add a few more too.

Bruises will go away after awhile. Much better than LIFE!
 
  • #126
JasonRox said:
I rather get kicked and punched like that guy did than serve life. Damn.

Kick me in the balls too.

Headbutt too.

Punch me in the chest too.

Add a few more too.

Bruises will go away after awhile. Much better than LIFE!

...okay? I revised what I said in light of StatApes comments. Can't you read? Agh, I'm going to beat you like those cops while ranting like Christian Bale.
 
  • #127
rootX said:
As usual, it only focuses on how the police is wrong.
Naturally! What do you think is more newsworthy: a criminal behaving criminally, or 5 police officers (probably many more, in this case) behaving criminally?
 
  • #128
JasonRox said:
Life?

I thought you said you wanted fair trial. You just contradicted yourself.

Running from the cops doesn't give you life.

He attempted to kill an officer standing in the roadwith his vehicle...before he was captured...that is why they beat him.
 
  • #129
WhoWee said:
He attempted to kill an officer standing in the roadwith his vehicle...before he was captured...that is why they beat him.

I think it is also because his vehicle rolled over when it got a side hit from the police car (in the video it looks like he had no intention to stop - unlike the one in OP who got out and started running).

I think they should hire guys who are not willing to go beyond their abilities to catch criminals. If it's too dangerous just leave it and let others die. Obviously, no one gets that angry when criminals kill other people so the police wouldn't have to hear all the BS.
 
  • #130
WhoWee said:
He attempted to kill an officer standing in the roadwith his vehicle...before he was captured...that is why they beat him.

To be clear, are you excusing what the officers did or trying to make the case for why he should get life?
 
  • #131
Cyrus said:
To be clear, are you excusing what the officers did or trying to make the case for why he should get life?

I'll clarify.

Being beaten while in custody...even if unconscious...does not excuse his earlier actions. The officers were wrong...AGAIN.

If the attempted vehicular homicide of the police officer is excused because he was beaten, every robbery suspect in America should start provoking the police into a beating...the original crime and (in this case) additional crimes committed during the commission of that crime need to be prosecuted fully.
 
  • #132
WhoWee said:
If the attempted vehicular homicide of the police officer ...
I think that charge, if it were attempted, would be thrown out irrespective of whether there was police misconduct. The defendant's intent could have been nothing more than of attempting to evade the spike strip deployed by the officer.
 
  • #133
How come it's still legal for my teachers and parents to beat me for even talking out of line but a cop can't beat a criminal for commiting a crime?

If I were a cop and someone tried to kill me I know when I caught up to that S-O-B I would beat them too.EDIT: After watching the video, lol, it was WAY too extensive. Like why do they need what 10 cops? punching him in the head when clearly he isn't even MOVING.
 
  • #134
Sorry! said:
How come it's still legal for my teachers and parents to beat me for even talking out of line but a cop can't beat a criminal for commiting a crime?

If I were a cop and someone tried to kill me I know when I caught up to that S-O-B I would beat them too.


EDIT: After watching the video, lol, it was WAY too extensive. Like why do they need what 10 cops? punching him in the head when clearly he isn't even MOVING.

Do you really not know the answer to your own question?
 
  • #135
Cyrus said:
Do you really not know the answer to your own question?

Well idk why a teacher can beat me for talking out of line but a cop can't beat me for shooting at him..
 
  • #136
Gokul43201 said:
I think that charge, if it were attempted, would be thrown out irrespective of whether there was police misconduct. The defendant's intent could have been nothing more than of attempting to evade the spike strip deployed by the officer.

By aiming his speeding vehicle in the direction of an officer...how about reckless endangerment?
 
  • #137
Should people who flee the police at least lose their driving priveliges...for life?
 
  • #138
Sorry! said:
Well idk why a teacher can beat me for talking out of line but a cop can't beat me for shooting at him..

Wow, that's sad.
 
  • #139
Cyrus said:
Wow, that's sad.

I guess, I think it's sad how whenever I see your posts how cynical you are over a forum lol.
 
  • #140
Sorry! said:
Well idk why a teacher can beat me for talking out of line but a cop can't beat me for shooting at him..

I can tell you from experience, in suburban Ohio middle schools in the late 1960's and 1970's...it was common practice to bouce "smart mouths" off of walls, lockers, chalk boards, door frames (you get the idea)...drag them into the hall (where everyone could hear) and "paddle" them with special boards...most 4" to 8" wide and up to 48" long, many painted with cute names and graphics, holes drilled for less wind resistance and/or to make a noise, special grips and/or a raw hide wrist band...and often signed by the recipients.

This method of discipline was the norm and parents RARELY objected. And YES...it hurt...only the knucleheads went back for repeats.
 
  • #141
Sorry! said:
Well idk why a teacher can beat me for talking out of line but a cop can't beat me for shooting at him..

I don't know where you live, but teachers can be arrested in AZ for beating a student. Parents can be arrested for beating their children.
 
  • #142
WhoWee said:
I can tell you from experience, in suburban Ohio middle schools in the late 1960's and 1970's...it was common practice to bouce "smart mouths" off of walls, lockers, chalk boards, door frames (you get the idea)...drag them into the hall (where everyone could hear) and "paddle" them with special boards...most 4" to 8" wide and up to 48" long, many painted with cute names and graphics, holes drilled for less wind resistance and/or to make a noise, special grips and/or a raw hide wrist band...and often signed by the recipients.

This method of discipline was the norm and parents RARELY objected. And YES...it hurt...only the knucleheads went back for repeats.

I just realized this "paddling" method was also used as an interrogation technique...threaten to strike...ask for a information...strike and wait for a response (after the scream)...repeat...were we subjected to torture?

I remember 1 guy took about 8 swats before he gave up his accomplice...who in turn got about 3 or 4 swats for letting his friend endure a beating.
 
  • #143
Sorry! said:
I guess, I think it's sad how whenever I see your posts how cynical you are over a forum lol.

My tolerance for bad posts is low. It comes with being on these forums for a long time. You loose patience when you see posts that are lazy, poorly worded, etc. The "idk" worked against you. I hate slang.

BTW, teachers can't beat you. I have no idea where you are getting your facts from?
 
  • #144
WhoWee said:
He attempted to kill an officer standing in the roadwith his vehicle...before he was captured...that is why they beat him.

So ...?

What you are describing is in direct opposition to the rule if Law.

It was Police Rage. The cops were out of control. They jumped in like a pack of animals. There was absolutely NO justification for their behavior. Fired is a good result for the cops. They should be thankful the DA wouldn't bring them up on criminal assault charges. They are lucky he didn't succumb to his injuries. That would be murder.

Besides, what did it accomplish? If he was unconscious what kind of lesson in deterrence is that? If the perp doesn't remember what you did, how is that effective street justice in any event? It was totally senseless. It was the police thinking they were above the Law. They are not.
 
  • #145
WhoWee said:
By aiming his speeding vehicle in the direction of an officer...how about reckless endangerment?
Being involved in a high speed car chase will already have landed him with a gazillion counts of reckless endangerment, wouldn't it?
 
  • #146
LowlyPion said:
So ...?

What you are describing is in direct opposition to the rule if Law.

It was Police Rage. The cops were out of control. They jumped in like a pack of animals. There was absolutely NO justification for their behavior. Fired is a good result for the cops. They should be thankful the DA wouldn't bring them up on criminal assault charges. They are lucky he didn't succumb to his injuries. That would be murder.

Besides, what did it accomplish? If he was unconscious what kind of lesson in deterrence is that? If the perp doesn't remember what you did, how is that effective street justice in any event? It was totally senseless. It was the police thinking they were above the Law. They are not.

I could care less if they are fired...this is different than the thread case. But the guy that almost ran the officer down needs to pay.
 
  • #147
Gokul43201 said:
Being involved in a high speed car chase will already have landed him with a gazillion counts of reckless endangerment, wouldn't it?

You and I both know it rarely works that way. I'll cite OJ again...not a single ticket for running a stop sign.
 
  • #148
WhoWee said:
You and I both know it rarely works that way. I'll cite OJ again...not a single ticket for running a stop sign.

Since he was found innocent of the murder in his criminal trial the time he spent in jail would probably count as time served for any crimes in connection to the chase. I have no idea if they actually tallied up the penalties and made any decision regarding this though. It was probably considered pointless and if they did I'm sure Cochran threatened to make any prosecution on the matter an ordeal. The prosecution generally drops lesser crimes to focus on the major ones, especially if they feel certain they will win.
 
  • #149
TheStatutoryApe said:
Since he was found innocent of the murder in his criminal trial the time he spent in jail would probably count as time served for any crimes in connection to the chase. I have no idea if they actually tallied up the penalties and made any decision regarding this though. It was probably considered pointless and if they did I'm sure Cochran threatened to make any prosecution on the matter an ordeal. The prosecution generally drops lesser crimes to focus on the major ones, especially if they feel certain they will win.

OJ wasn't driving.
 
  • #150
WhoWee said:
OJ wasn't driving.

Looked it up. There was a gun in the car and talk that he was supposedly holding it on the driver.
 

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