Human rights and the police (misconduct)

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In summary, the article states that a police officer in Texas is allowed to confiscate money and valuables from people who have been arrested, even if the money or valuables are not involved in the crime for which the person was arrested. This practice has been criticized by human rights groups for being unfair and abusive.
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  • #107
Cyrus said:
Remember what I said about responding to a bad post with an equally bad post?

You'll probably need to read all of the posts (that you didn't write) if you want to comprehend.
 
  • #108
Cyrus said:
Im sorry, is there a point to your post?

I'm clearly dismissing your childish name calling...that is my point.
 
  • #109
WhoWee said:
I don't recall Moat breaking the law to run away from the police.
Do you recall Moat being detained while black? When law-enforcement officers interact with the public, they do not treat everybody the same (based on the appearance of the person and the perception and prejudices of the officers). Remember Rodney King? There were enough police officers around him to subdue a bull, and instead of taking him in promptly, they beat the crap out of him.
 
  • #110
turbo-1 said:
Do you recall Moat being detained while black? When law-enforcement officers interact with the public, they do not treat everybody the same (based on the appearance of the person and the perception and prejudices of the officers). Remember Rodney King? There were enough police officers around him to subdue a bull, and instead of taking him in promptly, they beat the crap out of him.

That wasn't the point of the earlier post Turbo.

I originally responded to this by AUMathTutor
"People with medical emergencies should run from the police? "
Perhaps he had a passenger who was dying and needed immediate medical attention. Perhaps he had ingested a large amount of poison and was rushing to the hospital. Perhaps he had a family member who had been involved in a terrible accident and needed a rare blood transfusion / organ transplant. Perhaps he was just imagining one or more of these things."
Then he was citing examples and Moat was brought into the discussion.

I'm looking for some local newsreports of Rodney King...in and around New Castle/Sharon PA...after he got his money...he's a real "class act".
 
  • #111
WhoWee said:
That wasn't the point of the earlier post Turbo.

I originally responded to this by AUMathTutor
"People with medical emergencies should run from the police? "
Perhaps he had a passenger who was dying and needed immediate medical attention. Perhaps he had ingested a large amount of poison and was rushing to the hospital. Perhaps he had a family member who had been involved in a terrible accident and needed a rare blood transfusion / organ transplant. Perhaps he was just imagining one or more of these things."
Then he was citing examples and Moat was brought into the discussion.

I'm looking for some local newsreports of Rodney King...in and around New Castle/Sharon PA...after he got his money...he's a real "class act".
The point is that if I was speeding (I'm white) and a trooper stopped me (they may be all white in Maine, still) and I said "my father is dying" or "my wife's mother is dying", I would likely have gotten a high-speed escort to the hospital and not an extended detention because of "speeding while black". Cops in Maine have to work without a net lots of the time and backup may be a long time away, and they are bit more likely than some other states' troopers to act like humans.
 
  • #112
turbo-1 said:
Cops in Maine have to work without a net lots of the time and backup may be a long time away, and they are bit more likely than some other states' troopers to act like humans.

That might be because people in Maine act more like humans.
 
  • #113
turbo-1 said:
The point is that if I was speeding (I'm white) and a trooper stopped me (they may be all white in Maine, still) and I said "my father is dying" or "my wife's mother is dying", I would likely have gotten a high-speed escort to the hospital and not an extended detention because of "speeding while black". Cops in Maine have to work without a net lots of the time and backup may be a long time away, and they are bit more likely than some other states' troopers to act like humans.

I agree with you...hold true in Ohio as well...except for the speeding of course (NEVER - EVER SPEED IN OHIO).
 
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  • #115
mbisCool said:
This was just on the news.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2009/05/birmingham_police_beating_vide.html

This is quite alarming as multiple police officers join in beating the unconscious suspect. It wasn't until many months later when the video surfaced that the criminal found out he had been beaten. What is wrong with these people?

One problem I see is the headline:

Birmingham police beating video: Officers to be disciplined for beating unconscious man
You need to reform the criminals along with the police.
 
  • #116
rootX said:
One problem I see is the headline
What is the problem with that headline?
 
  • #117
rootX said:
You need to reform the criminals along with the police.

It is one in the same job because in this case, the police ARE criminals.

At least now, finally, the bad ones, which in this case was ALL of them, are [sometimes] getting caught. The brotherhood has always been far too self-serving.
 
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  • #119
I hope the guy driving the car gets life too though and doesn't walk because of his beatings.
 
  • #120
Cyrus said:
I hope the guy driving the car gets life too though and doesn't walk because of his beatings.

Life?

I thought you said you wanted fair trial. You just contradicted yourself.

Running from the cops doesn't give you life.
 
  • #121
JasonRox said:
Life?

I thought you said you wanted fair trial. You just contradicted yourself.

Running from the cops doesn't give you life.

It is fair. He ran from the police, endangered everyone around him including himself, and tried to kill a police officer using a car. Thats life.

I never contradicted myself.
 
  • #122
Cyrus said:
It is fair. He ran from the police, endangered everyone around him including himself, and tried to kill a police officer using a car. Thats life.

I never contradicted myself.

Normally you don't get life for much less than premeditated murder. And even then you can get less than life.
 
  • #123
TheStatutoryApe said:
Normally you don't get life for much less than premeditated murder. And even then you can get less than life.

Ok fair enough, the maximum sentence for his crime.
 
  • #124
Ivan Seeking said:
It is one in the same job because in this case, the police ARE criminals.

At least now, finally, the bad ones, which in this case was ALL of them, are [sometimes] getting caught. The brotherhood has always been far too self-serving.

Yes they all are criminals (if misconducting in the police department is equivalent to committing crime) by law, but I disagree that they all are bad. One type of the guys (I should point out who are humans - I don't know how you see the policemen but IMO they don't have extraordinary abilities.) are risking their lives so that the other type don't go and harm innocents.

Gokul43201 said:
What is the problem with that headline?

As usual, it only focuses on how the police is wrong.

As I said before, police is a profession like every other profession (and they are also being underpaid IMO for taking all the media and public BS). Most agree that is a tough profession.
 
  • #125
Cyrus said:
Ok fair enough, the maximum sentence for his crime.

I rather get kicked and punched like that guy did than serve life. Damn.

Kick me in the balls too.

Headbutt too.

Punch me in the chest too.

Add a few more too.

Bruises will go away after awhile. Much better than LIFE!
 
  • #126
JasonRox said:
I rather get kicked and punched like that guy did than serve life. Damn.

Kick me in the balls too.

Headbutt too.

Punch me in the chest too.

Add a few more too.

Bruises will go away after awhile. Much better than LIFE!

...okay? I revised what I said in light of StatApes comments. Can't you read? Agh, I'm going to beat you like those cops while ranting like Christian Bale.
 
  • #127
rootX said:
As usual, it only focuses on how the police is wrong.
Naturally! What do you think is more newsworthy: a criminal behaving criminally, or 5 police officers (probably many more, in this case) behaving criminally?
 
  • #128
JasonRox said:
Life?

I thought you said you wanted fair trial. You just contradicted yourself.

Running from the cops doesn't give you life.

He attempted to kill an officer standing in the roadwith his vehicle...before he was captured...that is why they beat him.
 
  • #129
WhoWee said:
He attempted to kill an officer standing in the roadwith his vehicle...before he was captured...that is why they beat him.

I think it is also because his vehicle rolled over when it got a side hit from the police car (in the video it looks like he had no intention to stop - unlike the one in OP who got out and started running).

I think they should hire guys who are not willing to go beyond their abilities to catch criminals. If it's too dangerous just leave it and let others die. Obviously, no one gets that angry when criminals kill other people so the police wouldn't have to hear all the BS.
 
  • #130
WhoWee said:
He attempted to kill an officer standing in the roadwith his vehicle...before he was captured...that is why they beat him.

To be clear, are you excusing what the officers did or trying to make the case for why he should get life?
 
  • #131
Cyrus said:
To be clear, are you excusing what the officers did or trying to make the case for why he should get life?

I'll clarify.

Being beaten while in custody...even if unconscious...does not excuse his earlier actions. The officers were wrong...AGAIN.

If the attempted vehicular homicide of the police officer is excused because he was beaten, every robbery suspect in America should start provoking the police into a beating...the original crime and (in this case) additional crimes committed during the commission of that crime need to be prosecuted fully.
 
  • #132
WhoWee said:
If the attempted vehicular homicide of the police officer ...
I think that charge, if it were attempted, would be thrown out irrespective of whether there was police misconduct. The defendant's intent could have been nothing more than of attempting to evade the spike strip deployed by the officer.
 
  • #133
How come it's still legal for my teachers and parents to beat me for even talking out of line but a cop can't beat a criminal for commiting a crime?

If I were a cop and someone tried to kill me I know when I caught up to that S-O-B I would beat them too.EDIT: After watching the video, lol, it was WAY too extensive. Like why do they need what 10 cops? punching him in the head when clearly he isn't even MOVING.
 
  • #134
Sorry! said:
How come it's still legal for my teachers and parents to beat me for even talking out of line but a cop can't beat a criminal for commiting a crime?

If I were a cop and someone tried to kill me I know when I caught up to that S-O-B I would beat them too.


EDIT: After watching the video, lol, it was WAY too extensive. Like why do they need what 10 cops? punching him in the head when clearly he isn't even MOVING.

Do you really not know the answer to your own question?
 
  • #135
Cyrus said:
Do you really not know the answer to your own question?

Well idk why a teacher can beat me for talking out of line but a cop can't beat me for shooting at him..
 
  • #136
Gokul43201 said:
I think that charge, if it were attempted, would be thrown out irrespective of whether there was police misconduct. The defendant's intent could have been nothing more than of attempting to evade the spike strip deployed by the officer.

By aiming his speeding vehicle in the direction of an officer...how about reckless endangerment?
 
  • #137
Should people who flee the police at least lose their driving priveliges...for life?
 
  • #138
Sorry! said:
Well idk why a teacher can beat me for talking out of line but a cop can't beat me for shooting at him..

Wow, that's sad.
 
  • #139
Cyrus said:
Wow, that's sad.

I guess, I think it's sad how whenever I see your posts how cynical you are over a forum lol.
 
  • #140
Sorry! said:
Well idk why a teacher can beat me for talking out of line but a cop can't beat me for shooting at him..

I can tell you from experience, in suburban Ohio middle schools in the late 1960's and 1970's...it was common practice to bouce "smart mouths" off of walls, lockers, chalk boards, door frames (you get the idea)...drag them into the hall (where everyone could hear) and "paddle" them with special boards...most 4" to 8" wide and up to 48" long, many painted with cute names and graphics, holes drilled for less wind resistance and/or to make a noise, special grips and/or a raw hide wrist band...and often signed by the recipients.

This method of discipline was the norm and parents RARELY objected. And YES...it hurt...only the knucleheads went back for repeats.
 

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