Hydrogen Fusion Engine: Steel Sphere & Sulfuric Acid

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a proposed concept for a hydrogen fusion engine utilizing a thick steel hollow sphere filled with sulfuric acid and water. Participants explore the feasibility of manipulating hydrogen ions within the sphere through electric charges to achieve fusion, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of the idea.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that charging a hollow steel sphere negatively would cause hydrogen ions to move to the surface, and subsequently charging it positively would accelerate these ions towards the center to induce fusion.
  • Another participant counters this by referencing Gauss's law, stating that a charged hollow sphere has no electric field inside, implying that hydrogen ions would not be attracted or repelled within the sphere.
  • A different participant emphasizes the need for mathematical validation of the claims, arguing that the forces on charged particles do not cancel evenly throughout the sphere, but only at the center.
  • Further, a participant reiterates the standard result from Gauss's law, asserting that the electric field inside a charged hollow sphere is zero, and thus the force on any charge inside is also zero.
  • Questions are raised regarding the specifics of removing oxygen ions and the exact amount of negative charge applied to the sphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the feasibility of the proposed method for achieving hydrogen fusion. There is contention over the implications of Gauss's law and the behavior of electric fields within the hollow sphere, with no consensus reached on the validity of the initial proposal.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the implications of electric fields in charged spheres and the assumptions made regarding ion behavior and fusion processes. Specific mathematical steps and definitions are not fully resolved.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in theoretical physics, electric fields, plasma physics, and fusion energy concepts may find this discussion relevant.

Bruce Haawkins
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Have a thick steel hollow sphere with a inside radius of 20 cm. Then fill it up with sulfuric acid and add water. Then remove the oxygen ions. then give the sphere a negative charge and all the hydrogen ions move to the surface of the inside sphere. then charge sphere positive and the hydrogen ions accelerate towards the center of the sphere and fuse.
 
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Apart form other more specific reasons, EM (gauss law) tells you that a charged hollow sphere has no electric field inside. So you won't be able to neither attract or repel H ions.
 
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Please do the maths before you speak the charged particle has not gotten an even amount of cancelling forces on it. The forces only cancel right at the center of the sphere.
 
Bruce Haawkins said:
Please do the maths before you speak the charged particle has not gotten an even amount of cancelling forces on it. The forces only cancel right at the center of the sphere.
This is incorrect. As @dRic2 says, the electric field from a charged sphere is zero inside, and hence the force on a charge inside the sphere is zero. This is a standard result, the maths for which was done by Gauss over two centuries ago. See, for example, Wikipedia.
Wikipedia said:
We can use Gauss's law to find the magnitude of the resultant electric field E at a distance r from the center of the charged shell. It is immediately apparent that for a spherical Gaussian surface of radius r < R the enclosed charge is zero: hence the net flux is zero and the magnitude of the electric field on the Gaussian surface is also 0
 
In addition to the other problems.

Bruce Haawkins said:
Then remove the oxygen ions.

How, exactly?

Bruce Haawkins said:
then give the sphere a negative charge

How much exactly?
 
Because the thread is based on a misconception, it is now closed.
 

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