Hydrogen Spectral Series Question

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The discussion revolves around the distinctions and relationships between the various spectral series of hydrogen, specifically the Lyman, Balmer, and Paschen series. Participants explore the historical context, the significance of electronic transitions, and the implications of quantized energy levels in relation to these series.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the necessity of multiple spectral series, questioning why a single overarching series could not suffice.
  • One participant suggests that the naming of the series is historical, as they were identified before a comprehensive understanding of their relationships was established.
  • It is noted that different series correspond to different electronic transitions, with the Rydberg formula being applicable to all of them.
  • Another participant raises a concern about the quasi-continuous nature of spectral lines in overlapping series, questioning how this can coexist with the discrete nature of other series.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the quantum numbers involved in the transitions, with n representing the initial energy level and n' representing the final energy level.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of multiple series or the implications of their overlapping nature. There are competing views on the historical context and the physical significance of the quantum numbers involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the spectral series and their relationships, indicating that the understanding of these phenomena relies on both historical discoveries and advancements in quantum mechanics. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties regarding the interpretation of overlapping spectral lines.

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I do not understand the distinction between the Lyman, Balmer, Pascher series etc. I understand that you calculate the values in each series with the corresponding n' values but I don't understand the need for multiple series. Why can't you have one overarching series that covers the entire spectrum and why would you use one series instead of another? Also, how to the series compare to each other?
 
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Bevels said:
I do not understand the distinction between the Lyman, Balmer, Pascher series etc. I understand that you calculate the values in each series with the corresponding n' values but I don't understand the need for multiple series.

Simple answer: There isn't a need!
They're just named that way because they were discovered experimentally before we knew how it all fits together. It's historic.

Why can't you have one overarching series that covers the entire spectrum and why would you use one series instead of another? Also, how to the series compare to each other?

Well, the different series represent different electronic transitions. But there is an important equation, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rydberg_formula" which describes all of them.. I think you've learned of it since you mention the n values. This lead to the Bohr model of the hydrogen atom, which explained _why_ you had these levels.

Or, almost. See, it turned out that those lines were not actually single lines, but several lines very close together.. And so they had to add more variables to describe how these levels-within-levels fit together.. and the answer to that eventually came from quantum mechanics.

(Edit: Ooh - My 900th post!)
 
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alxm said:
Simple answer: There isn't a need!
They're just named that way because they were discovered experimentally before we knew how it all fits together. It's historic.



Well, the different series represent different electronic transitions. But there is an important equation, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rydberg_formula" which describes all of them.. I think you've learned of it since you mention the n values. This lead to the Bohr model of the hydrogen atom, which explained _why_ you had these levels.

Or, almost. See, it turned out that those lines were not actually single lines, but several lines very close together.. And so they had to add more variables to describe how these levels-within-levels fit together.. and the answer to that eventually came from quantum mechanics.

(Edit: Ooh - My 900th post!)

Heres what I am having trouble with. My understanding is that these spectral series correspond to energy levels of the hydrogen atom and that these levels are therefore necessarily quantized. However, as one series overlaps another series, the spectral lines of the previous series becomes quazi continuous at lower frequencies. I don't understand how this quazi-continuous nature of one series can be logically compatable with discrete components of another series which it overlaps. I suppose what I am asking is what is the physical significance of n' in the Rydberg formula and the physical significance of the corresponding series. Here is the plot that I am having problems with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hydrogen_spectrum.svg

One series may be quazi-continuous at a frenquency where another series is decidedly discrete. How are these things reconcilable?
 
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Bevels said:
My understanding is that these spectral series correspond to energy levels of the hydrogen atom and that these levels are therefore necessarily quantized.

Each spectral line corresponds to a transition between two atomic energy levels. The photon energy equals the difference in energy between the two levels. In the formula that you're looking at, n is the quantum number of the initial energy level (before the transition), and n' is the quantum number of the final energy level (after the transition).

n' = 1 gives you the Lyman series, n' = 2 gives you the Balmer series, etc.
 

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