Hydroxl Ion radius, binding energy and vibrational frequency

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves the Hydroxl Ion (OH-), conceptualizing it as a bound state of O2- and a proton. Participants are tasked with determining the position of the proton, the binding energy, and the vibrational frequency, using principles from quantum mechanics and electrostatics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definition of binding energy and its relationship to vibrational energy. Questions arise regarding the calculation of binding energy and the distance between the two atoms. There is also mention of potential energy and its minimum corresponding to molecular distance.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants expressing confusion about the calculations involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between binding energy and potential energy, as well as the relevance of charge distribution. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the calculations and the potential need to avoid solving the Schrödinger equation directly. There is an emphasis on understanding the potential energy associated with the charge distribution of the system.

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Homework Statement



The Hydroxl Ion (OH-) may be considered as a bound state of O2- and a proton. Treating the O2- ion as a nucleus of charge +8 with the electrons homogeneously distributed in a sphere of radius b, determine approximately the position of the proton, the hydroxl binding energy and its vibrational frequency.

Homework Equations



Vibrational energies E=(n + 1/2)hbarω n = 0, 1, 2...

E = hv=hc/λ where v is the vibrational frequency



The Attempt at a Solution



This was a test question and I got 1/20 points on it lol. So my attempt was pretty futile. There may be different methods you can use to solve this problem. One of my questions is what exactly the binding energy is. I thought it would just be the ground state vibrational energy but I could be wrong.
 
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The binding energy is the ground-state energy of the proton in the potential well generated by the oxygen atom (neglecting motion of oxygen and the influence of the proton on the electron distribution). It is negative.
The (positive) vibrational energy has to be lower in magnitude than the binding energy, otherwise the molecule would break apart instead of oscillating.
 
Ok well I'm still not sure how to go about calculating the binding energy then. I understand how to get the vibrational energy but the binding energy and the distance between the two atoms is still confusing me.

I guess I know that the binding energy is at a minimum in potential energy which would correspond to the distance between the two molecules, but I just don't even know where to start. Help specifically on the math and calculations would be appreciated.
 
I have no idea how you want to determine the vibrational energy without knowledge of the binding energy.

I don't think you are supposed to solve the Schroedinger equation for that potential, so it is probably sufficient to calculate the minimum of the potential energy, using the given charge distribution.
Do you know how the potential of a point-charge looks like? The potential of a sphere?
 

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