Hypothetical Movement of Unidentified Aircraft

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The forum discussion centers on the hypothetical movement of unidentified aircraft, specifically the "tic tac" videos captured by F-18 pilots. Participants express skepticism regarding the interpretation of these videos, emphasizing that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, as noted by Carl Sagan. The discussion highlights the limitations of infrared (IR) cameras in providing accurate distance information and suggests that perceived movements may be misinterpretations, possibly due to debris on the sensor. Ultimately, the conversation concludes that without substantial evidence or context, any scientific commentary on the phenomenon is unwarranted.

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I know that the standard mantra of physicists who view themselves and their work as mainstream believe its never aliens. After all, as Carl Sagan reminded us, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, " as it should rightly be. But, recently, some pretty extraordinary proof has made its way from the dark corners of DOD to public view. I am sure that anyone reading this thread has seen it.

My question to you, therefore: if you were to assume, hypothetically, that the video images of "tic tack" aircraft taken by the F-18 pilots accurately depict what actually happened, how could such an aircraft move the way it appears to? I realize that Newton's first law would appear to rule out such movement. But, if such movement can happen, how? We speculate on possible physical mechanisms for phenomenon we don't understand all the time. A quantum field that decouples mass from applied force? If these aircraft actually exist, as they appear to, a revolution in our understanding of physics is required.
 
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My question to you, therefore: if you were to assume, hypothetically, that the video images of "tic tack" aircraft taken by the F-18 pilots accurately depict what actually happened, how could such an aircraft move the way it appears to?
[assuming we're looking at the same video] Given that the object doesn't appear to be moving at all for most of the video it is likely a piece of debris on the lens of the sensor.

You're letting your imagination run away from you (as the pilots evidently did). An IR camera does not provide distance information. What you see in it could be on the sensor or could be hundreds or millions of miles away and there's no way to know without other contextual information. Here's a good primer on the problems with such sightings:
https://www.inquirer.com/science/ufo-navy-unexplained-sightings-origin-life-20190601.html
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Even if a scientist wanted to reply, there is no information with which to say anything scientifically legitimate. You see the video and know as much as he would. It would be like if you were asked to comment on the cause of death of a particular average citizen in China, with no other information. Why would you even try? It would be deceptive to try.
 

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