I can't do space curvilinear motion

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to space curvilinear motion, specifically focusing on the calculations of various accelerations in a dynamic system. Participants are analyzing the relationships between radial, tangential, and angular accelerations in a context involving circular motion.

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  • Participants have attempted to calculate the radial and tangential accelerations using given equations and values. There are discussions about the correctness of these calculations and the units involved. Questions arise regarding the discrepancies between calculated values and those provided in a reference.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the validity of their results. Some have expressed uncertainty about whether their values for specific accelerations are correct, while others are considering the possibility of errors in the reference material. Guidance has been offered regarding unit consistency, but no consensus has been reached.

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aR = [itex]\ddot{R}[/itex] - R[itex]\dot{\phi}[/itex]2 - R[itex]\dot{\theta}[/itex]2cos2([itex]\phi[/itex])

a[itex]\theta[/itex] = [itex]\frac{cos(\phi)}{R}[/itex][itex]\frac{d}{dt}[/itex](R2[itex]\dot{\theta}[/itex]) - 2R[itex]\dot{\theta}\dot{\phi}[/itex]sin[itex]\phi[/itex]

a[itex]\phi[/itex] = [itex]\frac{1}{r}[/itex][itex]\frac{d}{dt}[/itex](R2[itex]\dot{\phi}[/itex]) + R[itex]\dot{\theta}[/itex]2sin[itex]\phi[/itex]cos[itex]\phi[/itex]

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You can calculate y,tt (the acceleration in the y direction) = v^2/r = 166*166/1200 = 23m/s^2 the acceleration in the y direction. With this you can find a_r and a_phi by some trig. You know at the instant of calculation that phi,t = 0, R,t = 0, and using some trig you can calculate theta,t.

Does this help?
 
i've already done that bit. I worked out the normal acceleration for the loop, [itex]\dot{\theta}[/itex] as 0.1437 rad/s, ar = 8.601 m/s2 and a[itex]\phi[/itex] as 21.49 m/s2 but the problem is when i try to input all this into working out the values of [itex]\ddot{R}[/itex] and [itex]\ddot{\phi}[/itex] that i seem to come out with something completely different.
 
The units you have for a_phi and the units for a_phi in the answer are different. I think you are off by a factor of R?
 
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The units you have for a_phi and the units for a_phi in the answer are different. I think you are off by a factor of R?

It's asking me to work out [itex]\ddot{\phi}[/itex] (rad/s2), which is a different quantity to a[itex]\phi[/itex], (m/s2). If i just divide 21.49/1077 that equals 0.0199 which is not the right answer. My problem is that i don't know whether the value i have for a[itex]\phi[/itex] is wrong, or whether I've done something wrong in the equation or what?
 
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Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I suspect the answer in the book. I got an acceleration in the y direction of about 23m/s^2 and R,tt should be a fraction of that number and not the 34.4m/s^2 in the book. I'm stumped, if you get an answer please let us know, if I'm doing something wring I would like to know.
 

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