Finding inveriance size, equilibrium and fluctuations

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on the relationship between invariant size, equilibrium, and fluctuations in the context of Hamiltonian mechanics. Key equations include the Lagrangian defined as ##L=\frac{ml^2 (\dot{\theta}^2+\dot{\phi}^2 sin^2 \theta)}{2}+mglcos \theta## and the Hamiltonian ##H(p,q)=\sum_{i=1}^{n}(p_i\dot{q_i})-L##. The invariant size is identified as a measure of total energy, combining kinetic and potential energies, while equilibrium is characterized by zero velocities of all particles. Small fluctuations are described as oscillations around this equilibrium state, governed by the equations of motion derived from the Hamiltonian.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Lagrangian mechanics
  • Familiarity with Hamiltonian mechanics
  • Knowledge of classical mechanics concepts such as kinetic and potential energy
  • Ability to differentiate between cyclic coordinates and their implications
NEXT STEPS
  • Study Hamiltonian mechanics in detail, focusing on energy conservation principles
  • Explore the derivation and implications of the equations of motion from Hamiltonian systems
  • Investigate the concept of cyclic coordinates and their role in simplifying mechanical systems
  • Learn about small oscillations and stability analysis in dynamical systems
USEFUL FOR

Students and professionals in physics, particularly those specializing in classical mechanics, as well as researchers exploring dynamical systems and energy conservation principles.

Gbox
Messages
54
Reaction score
0
Homework Statement
Let there be a pendulum which is free to move in space, the pendulum is connected to a wire with a constant length, which is connected to a fixed point. will use ##\theta, \phi## to point its location.
1. Write ##\vec{r}(\theta,\phi)##
2. Find the lagrangian
3. write equations of motion
4. Which coordinate is cyclic? and which size is invariant
5. plugin the invariant size and find a. equilibrium b. small fluctuations
Relevant Equations
##E_k=\frac{m\dot{r}^2}{2}##
##E_p=mgh##
##L=E_K-e_P##
##\frac{\partial L}{\partial q_i }-\frac{d}{dt}\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{q_1}}##
##H(p,q)=p\dot{q}(p.q)-L##
So I answered 1 and 2, got:

1. ##\vec(r)(\theta,\phi)=l(sin \theta cos \phi, sin \theta sin \phi, -cos \theta)##
2. ##L=\frac{ml^2 (\dot{\theta}^2+\dot{\phi}^2 sin^2 \theta)}{2}+mglcos \theta##
3. a ##mlsin \theta -mgsin \theta =l^2 \ddot{\theta}## , b. ##ml^2 \ddot{\phi}=0##
4. I know that ##\phi## is a cyclic coordinate, because only its derivative is in the lagrangian. which mean that the momentum in the ##\phi## axis is constant.

Now it is seems the "invariant size" (sorry it is a direct translation) is related to the Hamiltonian (which I do not know why).
The Hamiltonian is defined as ##H(p,q)=\sum_{i=1}^{n}(p_i\dot{q_i})-L## where n is the number of coordinates.

So we first need to find ##p_\theta=\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\theta}}=ml^2\dot{\theta}## and ##p_\theta=\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\phi}}=ml^2\dot{\phi}##

No the Hamiltonian should not have ##\dot{\theta}## or ##\dot{\phi}## so ##\frac{p_\theta}{ml^2}=\dot{\theta}## and ##\frac{p_\phi}{ml^2}=\dot{\phi}##

So the Hamiltonian ##H=p_\theta*\frac{p_\theta}{ml^2}+p_\phi*\frac{p_\phi}{ml^2}+\frac{ml^2 (\dot{\theta}^2+\dot{\phi}^2 sin^2 \theta)}{2}+mglcos \theta## ?

I know that there are ##\dot{q_i}=\frac{\partial H}{\partial p_i}## and ##\dot{p_i}=-\frac{\partial H}{\partial q_i}## but how are they related to the "invariant size", equilibrium and "small fluctuations" (again direct translation)

Thanks
 
Physics news on Phys.org
for your help!The "invariant size" is related to the Hamiltonian because it is a measure of the total energy of the system, which can be calculated by summing up the kinetic and potential energies. The equilibrium refers to the state in which the system is at rest, i.e. when the velocities of all particles in the system are 0. The small fluctuations refer to small oscillations around the equilibrium state, which can be described using the equations of motion derived from the Hamiltonian.
 

Similar threads

Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
1K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
976
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
1K
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K