I do not understand why i keep getting these trig equations wrong =(

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The discussion revolves around solving trigonometric equations, specifically focusing on cosine and tangent functions. Participants express confusion over their solutions and the correct angles associated with given trigonometric values. The scope includes both particular and general solutions, as well as transformations of trigonometric graphs.

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  • One participant identifies the cosine value of -1/2 and calculates angles in quadrants 2 and 3, arriving at 5π/6 and 4π/3, while noting a discrepancy with the book's answers of 2π/3 and 4π/3.
  • Another participant questions the angle corresponding to cos x = 1/2, initially suggesting π/6, then correcting to π/3.
  • There is mention of the inverse tangent function's domain, with a participant suggesting that this may explain the book's answer of -π/4 for tan x = -1, while another participant provides their own solutions of 3π/4 and 7π/4.
  • Participants discuss the distinction between particular solutions (exact angles) and general solutions (including periodicity), with some expressing confusion over terminology and the process of adding periods to solutions.
  • One participant expresses frustration over making mistakes and seeks tips for transforming sine and cosine graphs.

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Participants express differing views on the correct solutions to the trigonometric equations, with no consensus reached on the correct angles or methods. Confusion remains regarding the terminology of particular versus general solutions.

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Participants reference specific intervals for solutions, but there is uncertainty about the requirements for the problems they are solving. Some solutions may not fall within the specified intervals, leading to further discussion.

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Students struggling with trigonometric equations, particularly in understanding the distinction between particular and general solutions, as well as those seeking assistance with graph transformations.

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cosx= -1/2 i realized my ref triangle is pie /6. i know that cosine is negative in quad 2 and 3. i labeled my axis (this helped me) with pie being 6 pie over 6, pie over 2 i put 3 pie over 6, 3pie over 2 i put as 9 pie over 6, and 2 pie i made 12 pie over 6.

ok since one solution is in quad 2(between 3 pie/6 and 6 pie/6) and ref angle is pie/6 i got 5pie/6

my other solution which is correct in the book is 4pie/3. so i got 4pie/3 and 5pie/6.

the book says 2pie/3 and 4 pie/3.

im just so frustrated, i thought i understood this stuff. its bad enough i can't understand, transformations, reflections, stretching, and compressing trig graphs, but now i can't do the equations either =(

those are my particulars not my general with periods./i then did tanx= -1 and i got 3pie/4 and 7pie/4 as my answers. or since you just need one i just got 3pie/4 + pie k/. the book says the answer is -pie over 4.
 
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What angle gives cos x = 1/2? Is it pi/6?
 
sportsstar469 said:
those are my particulars not my general with periods./
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sportsstar469 said:
i then did tanx= -1 and i got 3pie/4 and 7pie/4 as my answers. or since you just need one i just got 3pie/4 + pie k/. the book says the answer is -pie over 4.

The domain of the inverse tangent function (tan-1(x) or arctan(x)) is [itex]-\pi/2 < x < \pi/2[/itex], so that might be why your book gave an answer of [itex]\pi/4[/itex]. The reference point for this angle is the same as the reference point for [itex]7\pi/4[/itex].

BTW, "pie" is something to eat. The name of this Greek letter, [itex]\pi[/itex], is pi.
 
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Tedjn said:
What angle gives cos x = 1/2? Is it pi/6?
yes, i used the special triangle that's what i was told in class...

edit ITS PI OVER 3! WOW I HATE MAKING STUPID MISTAKES!

ANYBODY HAVE ANY TIPS ON (sorry caps) transforming graphs of sine and cosine i am totally lost here ;))
Mark44 said:
?The domain of the inverse tangent function (tan-1(x) or arctan(x)) is [itex]-pi/2 < x < \pi/2[/itex], so that might be why your book gave an answer of [itex]\pi/4[/itex]. The reference point for this angle is the same as the reference point for [itex]7\pi/4[/itex].

BTW, "pie" is something to eat. The name of this Greek letter, [itex]\pi[/itex], is pi.

whyd you put questions under that part? their are general solutions and particular lol. the general is when you add the periods.

im not really sure what you were trying to say, but i think youre saying my second problem was ok?

i know the reference points are the same... when solving trig equations youre supposed to find the exact solutions.. do you remember how to do this
 
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sportsstar469 said:
whyd you put questions under that part? their are general solutions and particular lol. the general is when you add the periods.
I still don't know what you're talking about when you say "add the periods."
sportsstar469 said:
im not really sure what you were trying to say, but i think youre saying my second problem was ok?
Maybe. Were you asked to find a solution in a certain interval? If you were asked to find a solution in the interval [[itex]-\pi/2, \pi/2[/itex]], your answer of 7[itex]\pi[/itex]/4 isn't in that interval. Keep in mind that the reference points are the same, but the angles aren't equal.
sportsstar469 said:
i know the reference points are the same... when solving trig equations youre supposed to find the exact solutions.. do you remember how to do this
Yes, I remember how to do this, but what's your point?
 
Mark44 said:
I still don't know what you're talking about when you say "add the periods."

Maybe. Were you asked to find a solution in a certain interval? If you were asked to find a solution in the interval [[itex]-\pi/2, \pi/2[/itex]], your answer of 7[itex]\pi[/itex]/4 isn't in that interval. Keep in mind that the reference points are the same, but the angles aren't equal.
Yes, I remember how to do this, but what's your point?

these are from what i know, just basic level 1 trig equations. m supposed toi find the particular solutions (the exact angles from the ref angles (nott he ref angles) and then by general solution i mean i take my exact angles and add the period to it.
if my particular solution was 5pie over 3 for a sin equation my general would be that angle plus two pi k.
 

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