I enjoy physics but dislike the labs

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of pursuing graduate studies in physics without significant involvement in laboratory work. Participants share their experiences and preferences regarding lab work versus theoretical aspects of physics, exploring the implications for graduate school paths.

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  • Some participants question whether it is feasible to pursue a PhD in physics without engaging in lab work, suggesting that theoretical physics typically does not require labs.
  • Others argue that even in experimental physics, one can focus on computational tasks, data analysis, or simulations without direct lab involvement.
  • A participant reflects on their dislike for undergraduate labs, noting that real experimental work differs significantly from introductory lab experiences.
  • Another participant expresses a desire for more independence in lab work, indicating that advanced laboratory courses may offer more opportunities for individual experimentation.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of collaboration in graduate school, with some suggesting that working with peers can enhance learning and success.
  • One participant mentions that while theoretical paths may allow avoidance of labs, some programs might still require limited lab experience.
  • Another participant shares a contrasting experience, stating they excelled in experiments despite struggling with math, highlighting the diversity of student experiences in labs.

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Participants express a range of views on the necessity and desirability of lab work in graduate physics programs. There is no consensus on whether one can entirely avoid lab work, as opinions vary on the requirements of different programs and the value of collaborative learning.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that early undergraduate lab experiences may not reflect the nature of advanced experimental work, and there are differing opinions on the importance of collaboration in learning and research.

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I was just wondering what anyone has to say about doing graduate school for physics, but not wanting anything to do with the labs.

Is is possible to go to grad school and do a phd without really getting too involved with lab work?

I remember being in labs in physics 1 and 2 and I would let my group work on the experiments while I would work on solving the problems in the lab.

And here is the thing, its not that I hate labs, but I just would like to work alone. Often my team would be so disorganized that I wouldn't want to participate in the labs.

I just like all of the ideas in physics and the understanding and learning aspect, but not so much the lab stuff.
 
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Fellowroot said:
Is is possible to go to grad school and do a phd without really getting too involved with lab work?
Yes, but that doesn't mean it is a good idea to avoid it.

Theoretical physics is usually without labs for obvious reasons, and even experimental physics can be completely without touching an actual experiment - writing software, simulating stuff, analyzing data and so on.

And here is the thing, its not that I hate labs, but I just would like to work alone. Often my team would be so disorganized that I wouldn't want to participate in the labs.
There are also many lab jobs you can do alone ;).
 
Doing lab work as an undergraduate is VERY different from doing an actual experiment, the former is mainly there to give you an idea of different experimental methods etc.
I really disliked most of our labs when I was an undergraduate; especially the ones that involved
electrical measurements .
Somewhat ironically I am now an experimental physicist specializing in electrical transport measurements:-p

My opinion about experimental physics changed during my final year project when I had a chance to actually spend a few months in a real lab; again, both the actual work and the working environment is very different in a real experiment.
 
Yeah I sort of feel the way you do. I mean i love applied and experimental physics for the life of me.
However, I wish I could do all the experiments independently. In upper years, the advanced laboratory courses will be more independent which is something I definitely look forward to. I feel like you learn best by doing things individually at first, and after you understand the apparatus/system, you can integrate into a more group environment.
 
I'm detesting over the fact that I have to take a Practical Physics course too, but it is pretty normal. Try it a little more and see if you like it. If not, you don't have to really do a lot of lab work.
 
Fellowroot said:
Is is possible to go to grad school and do a phd without really getting too involved with lab work?

Theoretical or computational physics.

Fellowroot said:
I remember being in labs in physics 1 and 2 and I would let my group work on the experiments while I would work on solving the problems in the lab.

And here is the thing, its not that I hate labs, but I just would like to work alone. Often my team would be so disorganized that I wouldn't want to participate in the labs.

A couple things here...

In first year you have to take physics with everyone else in science. This means you'll be with people that don't actually care about it, they are just required to take it.

Also everyone is disorganized in first year. It's part of the learning. Something that a lot of people don't seem to realize is that a large portion of university is learning to work with others. In upper year classes you will be doing yourself a huge, HUGE disservice if you refuse to work with classmates. Working with classmates that you've befriended and are at the same level of 'seriousness' as you is more enjoyable and way less frustrating than trying to do everything yourself. You sit in a room with whiteboards/chalkboards, go at the assignments/problem sets, and when you get stuck you all try and figure it out. When one person figures something out, they teach the rest of the group. Starting to work with a group is what it took for me to start getting A's and A+'s.

All of that said, if you go to grad school, even theoretical, you WILL be expected to work with or collaborate with others.
 
Fellowroot said:
I was just wondering what anyone has to say about doing graduate school for physics, but not wanting anything to do with the labs.

Is is possible to go to grad school and do a phd without really getting too involved with lab work?

I remember being in labs in physics 1 and 2 and I would let my group work on the experiments while I would work on solving the problems in the lab.

And here is the thing, its not that I hate labs, but I just would like to work alone. Often my team would be so disorganized that I wouldn't want to participate in the labs.

I just like all of the ideas in physics and the understanding and learning aspect, but not so much the lab stuff.

I was always the exact opposite! I was lousy at math, buy my experiments always worked perfectly. :)

I'm not sure what to do about the disorganized lab partners, other than to ask for a different group right at the beginning. If you are naturally organized, you can appoint yourself as group leader. :)
 
Fellowroot said:
I was just wondering what anyone has to say about doing graduate school for physics, but not wanting anything to do with the labs.

Is is possible to go to grad school and do a phd without really getting too involved with lab work?

I remember being in labs in physics 1 and 2 and I would let my group work on the experiments while I would work on solving the problems in the lab.

And here is the thing, its not that I hate labs, but I just would like to work alone. Often my team would be so disorganized that I wouldn't want to participate in the labs.

I just like all of the ideas in physics and the understanding and learning aspect, but not so much the lab stuff.

If you go into theory you can largely or entirely avoid labs in grad school (some schools require you to assist for a couple months on some lab experiment even if you are in theory, probably not all schools though and it's just a couple months out of 4-5 years).
 

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