I have a question about a problem of conservation of momentu

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to the conservation of momentum in rigid bodies, specifically focusing on the forces acting on a disc and the treatment of reactions in such problems. Participants are exploring the relationships between various forces, including weight and normal force, and how to properly represent them in diagrams.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to verify that the vertical reaction force Ay equals the weight W in their analysis of the forces acting on the disc.
  • Another participant points out the absence of labels Ay and W in the diagrams provided, suggesting that clarity in notation is crucial for understanding the problem.
  • A participant attempts to apply the sum of forces in the vertical direction, stating that Ay is not equal to W and expressing confusion about their mistake in the analysis.
  • Further clarification is requested regarding the definitions of forces in the diagrams, particularly the relationship between normal force N and weight W, and the role of Ay in the context of the problem.

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Participants express differing views on the clarity and correctness of the diagrams and notation used. There is no consensus on the treatment of the forces, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the proper relationships between Ay, W, and N.

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There are limitations in the clarity of the diagrams and notation used by participants, which may affect the understanding of the forces involved. The discussion also highlights the dependence on definitions and the need for precise labeling in physics problems.

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Momentum in rigid bodies; In this problem when I draw all the forces acting on the disc A, would the reactions: Ax, Ay; W, Friction, normal force; I do not understand is how to check that Ay = W, that's what I understand from the solution. Anyone have any tips on how to treat reactions in such problems

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I don't see any Ay or W on your diagrams, so I don't know what these labels refer to.

When you are doing these problems, you work out the relations by using your knowledge of physics.
If Ay = W was not true, what would happen?
 
The picture of the diagrams is the solution, in my diagram I draw in direcction "Y": normal force, Ay, and W; So if apply sum of forces in "Y" direction: Ay- W +N=0; where Ay it's not W.What is it wrong that I'm considering? I don't understand my mistake
 
You are not being clear.
None of your diagrams have an Ay or a W or anything labelled "normal force".
Therefore, the references to your diagrams are no help in understanding you.

Lets see if I can demonstrate what sort of description I am looking for:

If W is weight, then ##\vec W=-mg\hat\jmath## - acting at the center of mass of the wheel.
(You have an arrow labelled "mgt" in the right place for the weight ... what is "t" here?)

To write that equation I am implicitly defining ##\hat\jmath## as the unit vector pointing upwards.
Using the same definition:

If I use N for the force normal to the surface, pressing on the bottom of the wheel, then ##\vec N = N\hat\jmath##.
Since the wheel has no vertical acceleration, ##\vec N + \vec W = 0 \implies \vec N = mg\hat\jmath##
... so where does ##A_y## come in?

In context it is a force - so which force is it?
The only "A" in any of your diagrams is on the top one where it labelled the wheel as "wheel A".
Other common meanings for A are "area" and "amplitude" - which don't seem to apply.
So your notation is not as intuitive as you seem to think.
 

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