I have agreed to the Terms and Conditions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around participants' habits and attitudes towards reading terms and conditions (T&Cs) for software, products, and contracts. It explores the implications of agreeing to T&Cs without reading them and includes humorous anecdotes and personal experiences related to this topic.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express that they never read T&Cs, suggesting a casual approach to agreements.
  • One participant recalls a specific instance where the fine print of a software agreement mentioned potential death, highlighting the absurdity of such clauses.
  • Several participants question whether not reading T&Cs constitutes a breach of contract, with some asserting that one can agree without violating terms.
  • Humor is used throughout the discussion, with participants making light of the serious nature of T&Cs and sharing funny anecdotes.
  • Some participants mention that they read T&Cs selectively, particularly for online contests, to avoid unexpected obligations.
  • Concerns are raised about the length and complexity of T&Cs, with one participant noting a specific example of a 36,000-word document that is impractical to read.
  • There are mentions of strategies for dealing with T&Cs, such as sending back one's own terms in business dealings.
  • Participants share mixed feelings about specific software like iTunes, with some expressing frustration while others claim it functions well for their needs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not agree on whether reading T&Cs is necessary or whether it leads to breaches of contract. Multiple competing views remain regarding the importance and implications of T&Cs.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific software agreements and personal experiences, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion includes humor and anecdotal evidence, which may influence the seriousness with which T&Cs are regarded.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals concerned with legal agreements, software users, and those interested in consumer rights and contract law.

How often do you read your Terms and Conditions?

  • Almost always

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • Half of the time

    Votes: 4 8.0%

  • Only occasionally

    Votes: 14 28.0%

  • Never. I breach contracts daily.

    Votes: 31 62.0%
  • Total voters
    50
  • #31


Which leads me to my next question, why in the world would anyone who unwittingly has iTunes on their PC/laptop then go out and buy an iPad ? Am I missing something here ? Is Apple's thinking, "Well just in case you do buy one of our totally proprietary products, iTunes is just a click away ! Isn't that magic and aren't you special for choosing us !" NOT... Untold misery and heartache is a mere few clicks away.

Rhody... :mad:
 
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  • #32


I have never owned or used an Apple product and I am happy. Evo Child has a stack of deceased ipods. Oh look, here is one, nice metalic blue little thing, someday it will be a relic so I will toss it back into the bottom of the junk drawer.
 
  • #33


Evo said:
I have never owned or used an Apple product and I am happy. Evo Child has a stack of deceased ipods. Oh look, here is one, nice metalic blue little thing, someday it will be a relic so I will toss it back into the bottom of the junk drawer.
Rhody wife is getting an 2nd generation iPad 16 GB for Christmas ( I couldn't talk her out of it). I may as well give her my 100$ worth of iTunes gift cards that I never used as Christmas gifts (on principal alone). Of the smart geeky folk I work with, only one owns an iPad, but he hardly ever uses it so I am sure he hasn't had the same frustrating experience I have. Many others agree with my opinion of them and they stay away from their products like the plague.

Rhody...
 
  • #34


By the way, who the hell still uses ipods?
 
  • #35


Pengwuino said:
By the way, who the hell still uses ipods?
There are still a few around, wife has one and the little disk drivey thingee still works even though the glass on the screen is cracked. iPod and iTouch's are tough little buggers. Mine has smashed on the road bicycle riding (in it's plastic protective case which split and spit it down the pavement at 15 mph) with no damage except scratches. An iPod with a spinning disk drive probably would not have survived. The battery still charges and holds a charge after six years, and everything works on it just fine. If it weren't for stupid proprietary iTunes I would probably buy another Apple product.

Rhody...
 
  • #36


KingNothing said:
From the iTunes EULA: "You also agree that you will not use these products for any purposes prohibited by United States law, including, without limitation, the development, design, manufacture or production of nuclear, missiles, or chemical or biological weapons."
It actually says that! :smile:
 
  • #37


This is a trick to see if i read the rules for the forum isn it? :P
 
  • #38


rhody said:
Which leads me to my next question, why in the world would anyone who unwittingly has iTunes on their PC/laptop then go out and buy an iPad ? Am I missing something here ? Is Apple's thinking, "Well just in case you do buy one of our totally proprietary products, iTunes is just a click away ! Isn't that magic and aren't you special for choosing us !" NOT... Untold misery and heartache is a mere few clicks away.

Rhody... :mad:

You can purchase and use music from iTunes without an Apple mp3 player. They apparently have DRM on some of the files but have been switching over to new higher quality files without DRM. Even with the DRM you can get around it. The thing about iTunes is that you can find just about anything available anywhere on iTunes. I was searching for some fairly obscure bands and found them on there (thought I didn't purchase from them) while I had to go through three or more other sites to find all the bands and all of their available albums. The MySpace competitor to iTunes, called iLike (maybe not a competitor?), is almost as good but not quite, it still directs you to iTunes for quite a bit of material.
 

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