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I have hard time understanding Such That

  1. Apr 19, 2013 #1
    I have hard time understanding "Such That"

    {x[itex]\in[/itex][itex]Z[/itex]|x=2m+1, m[itex]\in[/itex][itex]Z[/itex]}

    Is this saying that x is apart of all integers and because of that x=2m+1 where m is all so apart of all integers.

    if not

    Is the first part x[itex]\in[/itex][itex]Z[/itex] because of the second part x=2m+1, m[itex]\in[/itex][itex]Z[/itex]


    Is second part x=2m+1, m[itex]\in[/itex][itex]Z[/itex] because of the first x[itex]\in[/itex][itex]Z[/itex]
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  3. Apr 19, 2013 #2
    The formula asking you to take the set of all integers x such that x is identical to 2m + 1, where M itself is an integer. More simply, x is a member of the set if x an odd integer.

    I'm not sure I understand your questions. By 'apart' did you mean 'a part'? If so, it might be better to say "x is an intger". More importantly, there's no implication that x should be odd because x is an integer. SUCH THAT is not a causal connective.

    Indeed, one could have specified the same set without the opening clause that x is an integer, since this in fact follows from the fact that x is an odd integer.
  4. Apr 19, 2013 #3


    Staff: Mentor

    "Such that" is used before one or more qualifiers that limit what we're discussing.

    Here are some examples.

    1. {x ##\in## Z} - this set represents all of the integers, negative, zero, and positive.
    2. {x ##\in## Z | x > 2} - The bar (|) can be read as "such that." The inequality limits the set so that we're now talking about only the integers larger than 2.

    3. {x ##\in## Z | x > 2 and x < 7} - We're further limiting the set, so now we're considering only {3, 4, 5, 6}. This could also be written as {x ##\in## Z | 2 < x < 7}, and means exactly the same thing.
    4. {x ##\in## Z | x > 2 and x < 3} - We have limited things so much that there are no members in the set, because there are no integers that are both larger than 2 and smaller than 3.
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