I have no background for my undergraduate studies

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The discussion centers around the experiences of a physics undergraduate who feels challenged by their lack of foundational knowledge in mathematics and physics. Participants explore strategies for improving understanding and engagement with the course material, as well as the emotional aspects of learning in a competitive environment.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster expresses a struggle with foundational knowledge in mathematics and physics, feeling overwhelmed by peers who seem to grasp concepts more easily.
  • Some participants suggest that many students wish to understand material better, indicating a common sentiment in academic settings.
  • One participant proposes that immersion in subjects will naturally lead to better understanding over time, especially with additional effort on the side.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of identifying specific areas of struggle and suggests revisiting foundational topics like trigonometry or algebra to strengthen understanding.
  • There is a recognition that not all students achieve high grades, which may alleviate feelings of inadequacy among peers.
  • One participant notes that personal struggles, such as depression, can be alleviated by the positive experiences of attending university.
  • Another participant mentions that difficulties in advanced courses often stem from weaknesses in basic concepts, advocating for a review of prerequisites.
  • There is a general acknowledgment that struggle is an inherent part of the learning process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that struggles with foundational knowledge are common and that improvement can come with time and effort. However, there is no consensus on specific strategies that will universally apply to all students.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various strategies for addressing gaps in knowledge, but there is no definitive checklist or guaranteed method for improvement. The discussion reflects a range of personal experiences and emotional responses to the challenges of academic life.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for undergraduate students in physics or related fields who are facing challenges with foundational knowledge and seeking advice on how to improve their understanding and engagement with course material.

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First I want to say that I had a tough childhood, I always had a job since 14 yo, got out of my mom's house at 17 yo, never been stimulated to study and almost quit school, I'm not blaming parents or so, I had a lot of rich experiences living this way. But hard times has passed, I'm 22 yo now and got my way to self taught the basics to get admitted at a good university and I'm living my dream now.

I'm going to the 4o semester of bachelor in physics and I have to say it's being an amazing course although painful. By painful I mean, I came to the university without much knowledge of mathematics and physics, I merely feels like I can only read and do some operations, but I'm putting 100% effort and getting good grades and learning A LOT.

My point is, I'm able to learn and get along with the course, but I can only learn the basics, can't get more than this because I'm already putting my 100% into this basics, I'm always surrounded by people smarter than me and it surprises me how much they can learn about the content is being taught.

I get amazed when new insights come to PF but when I start reading I always feel uncomfortable and sleepy because I can't get much of what is being presented, I also had no experience in reading books, besides didactic books I have read 0 books in my whole life, so I'm not used to it. I think it makes reading a bit tough for me.

In the vacation between semesters I spend most of my days studying what will be taught next, to make less painful to learn everything when it all begins.

Let me conclude. I'm happy with my learning, but I would like to find a way to enjoy the content I'm learning, learn things a little beyond, understand better the math behind all the theory, be able to read an insight post, and be able to participate the discussions that casually happens in the class. Have you some advice ?
 
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Felipe Lincoln said:
Let me conclude. I'm happy with my learning, but I would like to find a way to enjoy the content I'm learning, learn things a little beyond, understand better the math behind all the theory, be able to read an insight post, and be able to participate the discussions that casually happens in the class. Have you some advice ?

Just keep doing what you've been doing. I find that nearly everyone wishes they understood things better than they currently do, no matter how well they're doing in school. And that probably continues to be true no matter how far they get. There is so much knowledge out there that you will always wish you knew a little more or could get something a little easier. Don't sweat it.
 
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Drakkith said:
I find that nearly everyone wishes they understood things better than they currently do
You touched the point, I totally agree with you.
But do you think there's something I can do to supply my lack of basic knowledge or will it come naturally after a while of immersion on all the subjects?
 
Felipe Lincoln said:
But do you think there's something I can do to supply my lack of basic knowledge or will it come naturally after a while of immersion on all the subjects?

I'd say a lot of it will come to you naturally as you continue your studies. If you are doing extra work on the side then you're even better off, as there are a huge number of mathematical tricks and relationships that can make things much easier to grasp that you can get just by working through extra problems or doing extra reading. Unfortunately there is no checklist to go by, so I can't say, "Do this and you'll learn trick X, then do that and you'll learn relationship Y".

Your best bet is probably to keep track of things your struggling on and figure out why you're struggling and how to correct it. For example, if you're having trouble with understanding angles when working problems (such as when you have to decompose forces on a block on a ramp), then you may need to revisit your trigonometry.

I wish I could be of more help. Perhaps others have more advice for you.
 
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Working on what I'm struggling is a good advice.
Thank you for your time friend.
 
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There will almost certainly be people on the course that aren't getting good grades or even acceptable grades so don't feel everyone is cleverer than you.
 
CWatters said:
There will almost certainly be people on the course that aren't getting good grades or even acceptable grades so don't feel everyone is cleverer than you.
sure, there are indeed a lot of people that began the course and discovered this was not the course he/she meant..
I have to say guys, joining the university got me out of depression...
 
Felipe Lincoln said:
In the vacation between semesters I spend most of my days studying what will be taught next, to make less painful to learn everything when it all begins.
I have noticed that when people in my field (mechanical engineering) run into difficulty in advanced courses, it is usually due to weakness in the basics. You might be better off to look at the prerequisites for the next semester's courses. Review those, even if it means going as far back as trigonometry or algebra.

And relax. You are getting good grades, therefore you are learning the material well enough. There will always be somebody that knows more than you. Ask them to help you understand.
 
There's no good substitution for struggle.
 

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