I need intuition for Lagrangians and action

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the intuition behind Lagrangians and the concept of action, with a focus on their general applicability beyond classical mechanics, including quantum field theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe Lagrangians as useful calculational tools, particularly in quantum field theory, suggesting that intuition develops through proper study.
  • One participant emphasizes that Lagrangians represent a variational principle, noting that nature appears to follow the shortest path, which is foundational to their application.
  • Another participant highlights the utility of Lagrangians in deriving differential equations and recommends specific literature for further understanding.

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Participants generally agree on the utility of Lagrangians as calculational tools and their connection to variational principles, but there is no consensus on a singular intuitive understanding of the concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the foundational principles of Lagrangians and action are not explicitly stated, and the discussion does not resolve the nuances of their applications across different fields.

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The title sort of says it all, but I'll clarify a bit. Is there any intuition for what Lagrangians are and what action is. I'm asking in all generality, not just for classical mechanics.
 
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In a nutshell, they are very handy calculational tools, especially when doing quantum field theory, one of the 2 most successful theories of physics. Intuition is built once you read the proper sources. I'd consider Landau&Lifshits' classical mechanics gem.
 
dextercioby said:
In a nutshell, they are very handy calculational tools, especially when doing quantum field theory, one of the 2 most successful theories of physics. Intuition is built once you read the proper sources. I'd consider Landau&Lifshits' classical mechanics gem.
hideelo said:
The title sort of says it all, but I'll clarify a bit. Is there any intuition for what Lagrangians are and what action is. I'm asking in all generality, not just for classical mechanics.
Hi, I definitely subscribe this but I would like to add: Lagrangians are nothing else but the formulation and application of a variational principle. It works since nature seems to use the shortest path. It begins from classical mechanics of some particles, is great if you come then to field lagrangians and they are used in classical mechanics and QFT wildely.
I just wanted to mention that they are superb tool to derive differential equations and I personally recommend "Boundary and Eigenvalue Problems in Mathematical Physics" by Sagan.
 
dextercioby said:
In a nutshell, they are very handy calculational tools, especially when doing quantum field theory, one of the 2 most successful theories of physics. Intuition is built once you read the proper sources. I'd consider Landau&Lifshits' classical mechanics gem.
I'll check it out
 

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