I need to figure this out: (A×B)⋅C

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The discussion revolves around calculating the expression (A×B)⋅C for three given vectors A, B, and C, where A and B lie in the xy-plane and C is directed along the z-axis. The participants are exploring the relationships between the vectors and the necessary mathematical operations involved in the calculation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express uncertainty about how to begin the calculation, noting the angles between the vectors and the perpendicularity of vector C. There is mention of using trigonometry to determine vector components, and some participants question the necessity of converting from polar to rectangular representation for the vectors.

Discussion Status

Several participants are attempting to clarify their understanding of the cross product and its implications, including the direction of the resulting vector and the application of the right-hand rule. There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between the vectors and the angles involved, but no consensus has been reached on a specific approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of the problem statement and are grappling with the mathematical concepts of vector operations, particularly the cross product and dot product, without having fully resolved their initial questions or assumptions.

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Homework Statement


Calculate (A×B)⋅C for the three vectors A with magnitude A = 5.00 and angle θA = 25.1∘ measured in the sense from the +x - axis toward the +y - axis, B with B = 4.18 and θB = 62.0∘, and C with magnitude C = 5.82 and in the +z - direction. Vectors A and B are in the xy-plane.

Homework Equations


Magnitude of (AXB)=A*B*sin(theta)
Magnitude of (A dot B)=A*B*cos(theta)

The Attempt at a Solution


To be quite honest, I wasn't sure where to start. I know that A and B are 36.9 degrees apart and C is perpendicular to both of them, but I don't know where to go after this...Please help me!
 
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physicsquestion said:

Homework Statement


Calculate (A×B)⋅C for the three vectors A with magnitude A = 5.00 and angle θA = 25.1∘ measured in the sense from the +x - axis toward the +y - axis, B with B = 4.18 and θB = 62.0∘, and C with magnitude C = 5.82 and in the +z - direction. Vectors A and B are in the xy-plane.

Homework Equations


Magnitude of (AXB)=A*B*sin(theta)
Magnitude of (A dot B)=A*B*cos(theta)

The Attempt at a Solution


To be quite honest, I wasn't sure where to start. I know that A and B are 36.9 degrees apart and C is perpendicular to both of them, but I don't know where to go after this...Please help me!

Remember that the cross product gives you a vector, and remember to keep your left hand in your pocket!
 
I think I am supposed to use trig to figure out the vector components, but I never got the hang of trigonometry...Could I get help with solving?
 
physicsquestion said:
I think I am supposed to use trig to figure out the vector components, but I never got the hang of trigonometry...Could I get help with solving?

The equation that you give for the cross product is correct for the magnitude. (theta = angle between vectors A and B). The result of a cross product is a vector, however, which has magnitude and direction.
 
I'll try to figure out the vectors for each...it might take a while.
 
physicsquestion said:
I'll try to figure out the vectors for each...it might take a while.

Do you know how to convert from the "polar" representation of vectors (which is what you were given) to the "rectangular" representation? You use the rectangular representation to do the cross product more easily...
 
berkeman said:
convert from the "polar" representation
No, that's quite unnecessary here. Much easier to stay in polar for this one.
physicsquestion said:
Magnitude of (AXB)=A*B*sin(theta)
physicsquestion said:
I know that A and B are 36.9 degrees apart
Right, so what is theta in that cross product equation?
The next challenge is to figure out the direction of AxB. There are two parts to this.
In general, if I take the cross product of two vectors to get a third, a x b = c, what is the angle between a and c?
The second part is to get the sign right. This is tricky because a x b is equal and opposite to b x a. As Quantum Defect indicated, you need to use the 'right hand rule'. (This is because the answer is governed by a convention and is part of the definition of cross product. It could have been defined the other way and all of the mathematics would still work, but it's necessary to have an agreed definition and the right hand rule is it.)
 
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