I with an exercise about Energy and Schwarzschild Black Holes

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The discussion revolves around an exercise related to energy in the context of Schwarzschild black holes and Keplerian motion. The original poster is tasked with demonstrating that the Newtonian limit of Schwarzschild orbital equations leads to a specific expression for total conserved energy.

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate an equation involving conserved energy but encounters difficulties with certain terms. Other participants question the accuracy of the equation and suggest that there may be errors in the factors used. There is also a discussion about the proper use of units in the context of the problem.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the equation's correctness and the implications of using specific units (G=c=1). There is an emphasis on the importance of following forum rules regarding the sharing of solutions.

JTorn
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Homework Statement
Deadline : 18 of November
Relevant Equations
SW orbital equations adn Newtonian mechanical Energy
The thing is that this is an exercise that I have to show my teacher but I don´t know how to get the answer.The exercise says:

"A body of mass m moving in the Keplerian field V = −M/r (in G = 1 units) has a total conserved energy, Etot = 1 /2( m r˙^2 + r ^2ϕ˙ ^2 )− mM/r.

Show that the Newtonian limit of the Schwarzschild orbital equations leads to this same expression; use this calculation to obtain Etot. "

I tried starting from r·^2 = E - ( 1 - 2M/r)(1-L^2/(m^2)) using L = r^2 ϕ· but I cannot get rid of some squares.

Any help?
 
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JTorn said:
I tried starting from r·^2 = E - ( 1 - 2M/r)(1-L^2/(m^2))

You might want to check this equation; it's a good one to start from but I think you have some factors wrong.
 
PeterDonis said:
You might want to check this equation; it's a good one to start from but I think you have some factors wrong.

Sorry, I'm new here and i don't know how to write equations properly, the equation is fine, it's just that I am using G=c=1 units.

I have completed the exercise and I will upload the answer as soon as possible but now I'm quite busy trying to complete other exercises.

Thanks you.
 
JTorn said:
the equation is fine

I'm not sure it is, as you wrote it.

JTorn said:
it's just that I am using G=c=1 units.

I know that. That's not the issue I was talking about.
 
JTorn said:
I will upload the answer

You shouldn't post the answer here explicitly since this is a homework forum.
 
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No debe publicar la respuesta aquí explícitamente you que este es un foro de tareas.
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I'm really really sorry. I did not read the rules. Now I know them.
 
Oh, I didn't know I could use Látex code here. Sorry for my ignorance and Thank you very much.
 
PeterDonis said:
You shouldn't post the answer here explicitly since this is a homework forum.

JTorn said:
I'm really really sorry. I did not read the rules. Now I know them.

Actually it's I who need to apologize. I have checked the homework help guidelines and they do allow the person asking the question to post a solution if they find one:

micromass said:
Complete solutions can be provided to a questioner after the questioner has arrived at a correct solution. If the questioner has not produced a correct solution, complete solutions are not permitted, whether or not an attempt has been made.

So it's OK for you to post your solution.
 
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