Idea about single-point differentiability and continuity

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This discussion centers on the concept of single-point differentiability and continuity in mathematical functions. It highlights examples of functions that are continuous or differentiable only at a single point, specifically at x=0, such as f(x) = x^2 for rational x and -x^2 for irrational x. The discussion also addresses the challenges of defining higher derivatives, emphasizing that conventional definitions require derivatives to exist in a neighborhood around the point, not just at a single point. The conclusion asserts that differentiation is inherently a local process.

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About function that are continuous or differentiable at isolated points.
Many have probably seen an example of a function that is continuous at only one point, for example

##f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}\hspace{5pt}:\hspace{5pt}f(x)=\left\{\begin{array}{cc}x, & \hspace{6pt}when\hspace{3pt}x\in\mathbb{Q} \\ -x, & \hspace{6pt}when\hspace{3pt}x\in\mathbb{R}\setminus\mathbb{Q}\end{array}\right.##

It is also possible to define a function for which the derivative defined as

##f'(x) = \underset{h\rightarrow 0}{\lim}\frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}##

exists at only the point ##x=0##. One of the simplest examples is

##f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}\hspace{5pt}:\hspace{5pt}f(x)=\left\{\begin{array}{cc}x^2 , & \hspace{6pt}when\hspace{3pt}x\in\mathbb{Q} \\ -x^2 , & \hspace{6pt}when\hspace{3pt}x\in\mathbb{R}\setminus\mathbb{Q}\end{array}\right.##

for which the derivative at the origin is zero. Extending this to higher derivatives is not as easy, because the second derivative is usually seen as the same finite difference applied to the first derivative:

##f''(x) = \underset{h\rightarrow 0}{\lim}\frac{f'(x+h)-f'(x)}{h}##

and it doesn't make much sense to start calculating this for a function that has only ##x=0## as its domain.

However, the second derivative of

##f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}\hspace{5pt}:\hspace{5pt}f(x)=\left\{\begin{array}{cc}|x|^3 , & \hspace{6pt}when\hspace{3pt}x\in\mathbb{Q} \\ -|x|^3 , & \hspace{6pt}when\hspace{3pt}x\in\mathbb{R}\setminus\mathbb{Q}\end{array}\right.##

at ##x=0## could be calculated by the central finite difference

##f''(0) = \underset{h\rightarrow 0}{\lim}\frac{f(-h)-2f(0)+f(h)}{h}##

and found to have value zero.

A function with derivatives of arbitrary order being zero at ##x=0## and existing nowhere else could be defined by saying, e.g. ##f(0)=0## and ##f(x)=\pm\exp (-1/|x|)## when ##x\neq 0##.

Does the most conventional definition of 2nd and higher derivatives require that the derivative of previous order exist on some interval instead of just a single point?
 
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hilbert2 said:
Does the most conventional definition of 2nd and higher derivatives require that the derivative of previous order exist on some interval instead of just a single point?
Yes. Differentiation is a local process. It requires all functions to exist in a neighborhood of the point. The limit process has to exist, i.e. all limits for ##t## in a neighborhood of ##t=0##.
 

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