If f = 0, then df/dt=0, but ∂f/∂x≠0

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The discussion centers on the concept of implicit differentiation, highlighting a scenario where a function f(t) equals zero while its total derivative df/dt is also zero, yet the partial derivative ∂f/∂x is not. This situation illustrates that even when one side of an equation is zero, the relationship between variables can still yield non-zero derivatives. The confusion arises from the assumption that both sides being zero implies all derivatives are zero, which is incorrect. The participants clarify that implicit differentiation allows for solving relationships between variables without needing explicit forms. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding these mathematical principles more deeply.
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Suppose a function f (t) = 0
x (t) -y (t) = 0
with
x = t
y = t
df/dt = 0
However
∂f/∂x = 1

This case may seem obvious to most of the regulars this forum, but took me by surprise when I was reading a math book that I needed to "derive from both sides" (I assumed that as a side was zero, or other would always be).

I wonder if there is any book that deals with these things in a more elegant way. To respond in a clear way, when I can "derive from both sides."

Because for example:
x (t) - y (t) = 0
"deriving from both sides":
∂x/∂x - ∂y/∂x = 0
1 = 0

Many thanks for the help, and sorry if my question is very simple.
 
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xorg said:
I assumed that as a side was zero, or other would always be.
Both sides ARE zero, but the left side maintains zero by trading off the two terms.
I wonder if there is any book that deals with these things in a more elegant way. To respond in a clear way, when I can "derive from both sides."
This doesn't require an entire book (although there may be one). This is called "implicit differentiation". The equation defines an implicit relationship between x and y. In your example, you could solve for one explicitly in terms of the other, but other examples are much more difficult to solve explicitly. So implicit differentiation is another way to solve the problem without explicitly solving the equation.
∂x/∂x - ∂y/∂x = 0
1 = 0
.
There is your problem. ∂y/∂x is not 0. This is where you find out that 1 - ∂y/∂x = 0, so ∂y/∂x = 1.
 
xorg said:
I was reading a math book that I needed to "derive from both sides"
In English, we call it "differentiating" not "deriving".
 
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