If f(3x) = f(3) + f(x) , then prove that : f(1) = f(3) =f(9) = f(27) = f(81) = 0

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The discussion revolves around the functional equation f(3x) = f(3) + f(x) and seeks to prove that f(1) = f(3) = f(9) = f(27) = f(81) = 0. Participants explore various approaches to solving this problem, including specific substitutions and potential forms of the function f.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest substituting x = 3^a, where a is a non-negative integer, to explore the implications of the functional equation.
  • One participant notes that using this substitution leads to a recursive relationship, indicating that f(3^a) could be expressed as a function of f(3).
  • Another participant proposes that f could be a logarithmic function, questioning whether such a function could satisfy the equation while also leading to the stated equalities being false.
  • There are concerns about the complexity of the problem, with some participants seeking simpler methods to approach the proof.
  • One participant attempts to derive values for f(1), f(9), f(27), and f(81) based on the functional equation, suggesting that f(1) could be derived from f(3) and leading to a series of dependencies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the proof or the nature of the function f. Multiple approaches and interpretations are presented, with no clear resolution on the validity of the proposed solutions or the existence of a function that meets all conditions.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of f and its continuity or form are not explicitly stated, leading to potential gaps in the reasoning. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the implications of the functional equation.

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Q.1) If f(3x) = f(3) + f(x) and x\in R , then prove that : f(1) = f(3) =f(9) = f(27) = f(81) = 0 .
Q.2) If g(x) = x2 -4x + 3 and g(x+1) = g(x-1) , then find the value of x .
 
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Riwaj said:
Q.1) If f(3x) = f(3) + f(x) and x\in R , then prove that : f(1) = f(3) =f(9) = f(27) = f(81) = 0 .

Okay, we are told:

$$f(3x)=f(3)+f(x)$$

Suppose we let $x=3^a$, where $a\in\mathbb{N_0}$...we then get:

$$f\left(3^{a+1}\right)=f(3)+f\left(3^a\right)=f(3)+\left(f(3)+f\left(3^{a-1}\right)\right)=?$$
 
isn't there any simper way .
 
Did you understand what MarkFL was telling you? Since f(3x)= f(3)+ f(x), taking x= 1, f(3)= f(3(1))= f(3)+ f(1) so f(1)= ?
f(9)= f(3(3))= f(3)+ f(3)= 2f(3).
f(27)= f(3(9))= f(3)+ f(9)= f(3)+ 2f(3)= 3f(3).
f(81)= f(3(27))= f(3)+ f(27)= f(3)+ 3f(3)= 81f(3).

Q.2) If g(x) = x2 -4x + 3 and g(x+1) = g(x-1) , then find the value of x .
g(x+ 1)= (x+ 1)2- 4(x+ 1)+ 3.
g(x- 1)= (x- 1)2- 4(x- 1)+ 3

Multiply those out and set them equal. You have a linear equation to solve for x.
 
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MarkFL said:
Okay, we are told:

$$f(3x)=f(3)+f(x)$$

Suppose we let $x=3^a$, where $a\in\mathbb{N_0}$...we then get:

$$f\left(3^{a+1}\right)=f(3)+f\left(3^a\right)=f(3)+\left(f(3)+f\left(3^{a-1}\right)\right)=?$$

If carry this out, we find that:

$$f\left(3^a\right)=a\cdot f(3)$$

This, along with the given equation should suggest that $f$ could be a logarithmic function. Can you find a logarithmic function that satisfies the given equation, but for which

$$f(1)=f(3)=f(9)=f(27)=f(81)=0$$

is not true?
 
Riwaj said:
Q.2) If g(x) = x2 -4x + 3 and g(x+1) = g(x-1) , then find the value of x .

Another approach to this problem, as we saw in a previously posted problem of yours, is to use the axis of symmetry. Since:

$$g(x+1)=g(x-1)$$ then the axis of symmetry $x_S$ has to be:

$$x_S=\frac{(x+1)+(x-1)}{2}=x$$

In fact, we must have:

$$g(x+k)=g(x-k)$$ where $k\in\mathbb{R}$

But, we also know:

$$x_S=-\frac{b}{2a}$$

For the general quadratic $ax^2+bx+c$...so equate the two expressions for the axis of symmetry and solve for $x$. What do you get?
 

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