If T^2 = T, where T is a linear operator on V, T=I or T=0?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of the equation T² = T, where T is a linear operator on a vector space V. Participants explore whether this condition necessitates that T is either the identity operator or the zero operator, while considering various examples and properties of linear transformations, particularly projections.

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  • Some participants suggest that T² = T indicates that T is a projection, allowing for other forms beyond just T = I or T = 0.
  • One participant proposes starting with the matrix representation A of T and using matrix algebra to explore the implications of A² = A.
  • A participant notes that the claim that T must be either I or 0 is not true, indicating a misunderstanding of the properties of idempotent matrices.
  • Another participant discusses the structure of idempotent matrices and provides a specific example to illustrate their point.
  • There is a mention of the rank-nullity theorem and how it relates to the basis of V in the context of T being a projection.
  • One participant points out that the ring of matrices is not an integral domain, which complicates the implications of A² - A = 0.
  • Another participant elaborates on the relationship between projections and subspaces, suggesting that the composition of certain transformations can yield the zero transformation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether T must be the identity or zero operator, as multiple competing views regarding the nature of projections and idempotent matrices are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include the dependence on definitions of projections and idempotent matrices, as well as unresolved mathematical steps regarding the implications of the equation A² = A.

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If T^2 = T, where T is a linear operator on a nonzero vector space V, does this imply that either T equals the identity operator on V or that T is the zero operator on V?
I can't think of a counterexample.
 
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##T^2=T## means that ##T## is a projection. So any projection will do, not just ##T=1## or ##T=0##.

Example: ##T=\begin{bmatrix}1&1\\0&0\end{bmatrix}##
 
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Why not start with the equality ##A^2=A## where ##A## is the matrix for the transformation ##T##, and prove the claim using the matrix algebra of transformations?
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:
Why not start with the equality ##A^2=A## where ##A## is the matrix for the transformation ##T##, and prove the claim using the matrix algebra of transformations?
Because, as fresh_42 pointed out, the claim is NOT TRUE!
 
My mistake. I really should learn to read better.
 
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JJ__ said:
Summary: If T^2 = T, where T is a linear operator on a nonzero vector space V, does this imply that either T equals the identity operator on V or that T is the zero operator on V?

I can't think of a counterexample.

In terms of basic problem solving technique:

whenever you can imagine only two possibilities, (a) or (b), and they seem to be mutually exclusive... you should ask, why can't it be 'both'? And blocked matrices work perfect for this, e.g.:

##T^{(k)} = \begin{bmatrix} \mathbf I_k & \mathbf 0\mathbf 0^T \\ \mathbf 0\mathbf 0^T & \big(\mathbf 0\mathbf 0\big)_{n-k}^T \end{bmatrix}##

for finite dimensions, all idempotetent matrices are similar to this.
 
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StoneTemplePython said:
... all idempotetent matrices are similar to this.
And how does my idempotent example in post #2 fit into this scheme?
 
fresh_42 said:
And how does my idempotent example in post #2 fit into this scheme?
in reals, with
##S :=
\left[\begin{matrix}1 & -1\\0 & 1\end{matrix}\right]
##

consider
##S^{-1} \begin{bmatrix}1&1\\0&0\end{bmatrix}S##

and of course ##k=1## and ##n-k = 1##
 
by the formula T^2 = T, it follows that T is the identity on its actual range, a subspace of V. So choose a basis of this range, and then throw in also a basis of the kernel of T. By the rank nullity theorem, this gives a basis of V, and in this basis the matrix of T is the block matrix in post #6.
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:
Why not start with the equality ##A^2=A## where ##A## is the matrix for the transformation ##T##, and prove the claim using the matrix algebra of transformations?
Because the ring of matrices is not an integral domain, so that ##A^2-A=0 \rightarrow A(A-I)=0 ## does not imply A=0 or A=I.
 
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Right, because ##A## can also represent the matrix of the projection transformation for some proper subspace ##U## of ##V##, and ##(A-I)## can represent the projection transformation for the complement of ##U##. In turn, the composition of these two linear transformations is just the zero transformation, I think?
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:
Right, because ##A## can also represent the matrix of the projection transformation for some proper subspace ##U## of ##V##, and ##(A-I)## can represent the projection transformation for the complement of ##U##. In turn, the composition of these two linear transformations is just the zero transformation, I think?
##A^2=A## is the definition of a projection.
 

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