If V1 x M1 = V2 x M2, then why here 2V1 x M1 = V2 x M2?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the equation V1 x M1 = V2 x M2 in the context of two chemical reactions: NaOH + HCl = NaCl + H2O and 2NaOH + H2SO4 = Na2SO4 + H2O. Participants are questioning the validity of applying the equation to the second reaction and exploring the implications of stoichiometry in chemical equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the equation V1 x M1 = V2 x M2 is valid for the first reaction but question its applicability to the second reaction involving 2NaOH and H2SO4.
  • One participant emphasizes that the second reaction indicates two molecules of NaOH react with one molecule of H2SO4, suggesting a need for careful consideration of stoichiometry.
  • Another participant criticizes the reliance on the equation as a formula without understanding its underlying principles, indicating that it may not always be applicable.
  • There is a suggestion that the participants should follow stoichiometric principles to determine the correct approach for the second reaction.
  • One participant expresses concern that the original poster may need to revisit fundamental concepts related to molecules, moles, molarities, and chemical formulae.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the applicability of the equation V1 x M1 = V2 x M2 to the second reaction. Multiple competing views regarding the understanding and application of stoichiometry are present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the understanding of stoichiometric relationships and the potential for misapplication of formulas in chemical reactions. There are unresolved assumptions about the conditions under which the equation may or may not hold true.

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1. The problem statement, all variables, and given/known data
In the first rection, NaOH + HCl = NaCl + H2O
From the first rection, we can write V1 x M1 = V2 x M2
In the second rection, 2NaOH + H2SO4 =Na2SO4 + H2O
From the second rection, Can we write V1 x M1 = V2 x M2?

Homework Equations


1. NaOH + HCl = NaCl + H2O
2. 2NaOH + H2SO4 =Na2SO4 + H2O

The Attempt at a Solution


From the second rection, I wrote the equation V1 x M1 = V2 x M2 but my book says I am wrong.
 
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Indranil said:
1. The problem statement, all variables, and given/known data
In the first rection, NaOH + HCl = NaCl + H2O
From the first rection, we can write V1 x M1 = V2 x M2
In the second rection, 2NaOH + H2SO4 =Na2SO4 + H2O
From the second rection, Can we write V1 x M1 = V2 x M2?

Homework Equations


1. NaOH + HCl = NaCl + H2O
2. 2NaOH + H2SO4 =Na2SO4 + H2O

The Attempt at a Solution


From the second rection, I wrote the equation V1 x M1 = V2 x M2 but my book says I am wrong.

Your equation 2 is telling you the two molecules of NaOH react with one of H2SO4!

Do not rely too much on remembering blind formulae without understanding what they mean.
 
epenguin said:
Your equation 2 is telling you the two molecules of NaOH react with one of H2SO4!

Do not rely too much on remembering blind formulae without understanding what they mean.
According to you what will be the solution for the second reaction?
 
Indranil said:
According to you what will be the solution for the second reaction?

Why don't you try to follow the stoichiometry and find out what the right approach is?

m1v1=m2v2 is one of the worst things taught in schools. Even if it is SOMETIMES true, people apply it blindly everywhere. Just forget you were ever taught it.
 
Sorry, it sounds as though you need to revise from your books quite elementary ideas of what molecules, moles, molarities and chemical formulae are and mean.
We help out here with misunderstandings of textbook material, but we do not write the textbooks, i.e. cannot do everything from zero, and we do not spoonfeed or give answers. (overlapped Borek's post.)
 

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