If you could change a single historical event

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around hypothetical changes to historical events and their potential impacts on the present. Participants explore various significant moments in history, including religious, agricultural, and industrial developments, as well as cultural phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose deleting Christianity or Julius Caesar to benefit science.
  • Others suggest eliminating the Industrial Revolution due to its environmental consequences.
  • One participant expresses a desire to change the agricultural revolution, viewing it as the start of ecological degradation.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes the importance of not changing historical events, arguing that humanity learns from past injustices.
  • Several participants humorously suggest deleting specific decades or pop culture elements, such as the 80s or certain movies.
  • A participant considers the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand as a pivotal event to change, speculating on the broader implications for world wars and political structures.
  • One participant reflects on the idea of eliminating all major wars throughout history, advocating for peace instead.
  • Another humorously questions if the extinction of dinosaurs could be considered a historical event worth changing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with no clear consensus on which historical events should be changed or whether any changes would be beneficial. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments depend on assumptions about the outcomes of changing historical events, and the potential for unforeseen consequences is frequently mentioned. There is also a mix of serious and humorous contributions, reflecting varying levels of engagement with the topic.

  • #31
I don't like messing with things I can't predict the outcome of. I don't think it'd be a good idea.
 
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  • #32
Does the extinction of the dinosaurs count as a historical event?
 
  • #33
Sure it does :P

Dino pets for everyone!

And I have no idea what religion would develop.
I seem to remember the Islam world was a center of learning in those early ages.

Though on the other hand you could say we are programmed to be religious(being all pattern-seeking, why-asking machines).
 
  • #34
martix said:
And I have no idea what religion would develop.
I seem to remember the Islam world was a center of learning in those early ages.
I would more blame collapse of Western Roman Empire, than Christianity. After all in the mean time there was quite civilized Byzantium while in barbaric Europe, monks were few literate people who copied some old books.

Though on the other hand you could say we are programmed to be religious(being all pattern-seeking, why-asking machines).
I would say, that there is such need in humans, and Christianity keeps incumbent effect.

I have doubts about appearance of Islam as we know it, Mohamed was somewhat inspired by Christianity, he accepted Jesus (Isa) as one of prophets.

If have to guess - there was a good chance to build a monotheistic religion, maybe a different one a while later

Even Judaism would look different, partially Talmud was written in some kind opposition towards Christianity.
 
  • #35
Even though the Op used religion as an example, let's stay away from religion as people tend to get upset if their beliefs are challenged.
 
  • #36
Evo said:
Even though the Op used religion as an example, let's stay away from religion as people tend to get upset if their beliefs are challenged.

VERY good idea.
My only contention is that all organized religion is obsolete by now.

P.s. I think the Dino idea was the most someone has gone back in time. And most people never even go back ealier than the 1900s.
I wonder if it's bacause they think they have a better idea of what will happen with recent-er events or it simply didn't occur to them there was history before that too. :P
 
  • #37
martix said:
P.s. I think the Dino idea was the most someone has gone back in time. And most people never even go back ealier than the 1900s.
I wonder if it's bacause they think they have a better idea of what will happen with recent-er events or it simply didn't occur to them there was history before that too. :P

Or perhaps most just don't care enough to really think about it since this isn't possible.
 
  • #38
The day, back in the middle ages, when islam scientists and philosophers stopped working because somebody decided to decret sciences the 'devil's work'... We could be traveling between galaxies by now if they continued working throughout the last 1000 years.
 
  • #39
martix said:
P.s. I think the Dino idea was the most someone has gone back in time. And most people never even go back ealier than the 1900s.
I wonder if it's bacause they think they have a better idea of what will happen with recent-er events or it simply didn't occur to them there was history before that too. :P
Perhaps because changing the Earth's environment before humans appeared might mean there never would be humans.
 

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