B If you had to make a perfect vacuum, version #2

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The discussion centers around the feasibility of creating a perfect vacuum devoid of any atoms, focusing on the challenges of outgassing and diffusion from container walls. Participants emphasize that achieving a true vacuum is theoretically impossible with current technology, as even ultra-high vacuum conditions still contain trace amounts of particles. The conversation highlights the limitations of existing vacuum technologies, such as ion pumps and cryopumps, and the inherent issues with any material used for containment. Suggestions for potential methods to improve vacuum conditions include cooling container walls and using laser fields or magnetic fields to eliminate particles. Ultimately, the consensus is that while the concept is intriguing, practical applications and the importance of achieving a perfect vacuum remain questionable.
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All the vacua we are discussing here have mean free paths way larger than the size of the lab vacuum.

Interstellar space has mean free path in the range of millions to trillions of kilometers. Large compared to planets and most stars, but small compared to interstellar distances.
 
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mfb said:
All the vacua we are discussing here have mean free paths way larger than the size of the lab vacuum.

Interstellar space has mean free path in the range of millions to trillions of kilometers. Large compared to planets and most stars, but small compared to interstellar distances.

Do you know what the density of antiprotons is in there?
 
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Did you check the publication? It should have numbers for the antiprotons and the approximate volume of their storage. The total vacuum volume is 1.2 l but that won't be filled with antiprotons. They used a few thousand antiprotons for measurements, so initially the number of antiprotons clearly exceeded the number of regular atoms in the trap.
 
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