I'm off by sqrt(2) and it's driving me crazy (expanded particle in 1D box)

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The problem involves a particle initially in the ground state of a one-dimensional infinite potential box that suddenly expands to twice its size. Participants are tasked with determining the probability of finding the particle in the ground state of the new box configuration.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the normalization of wavefunctions in the context of the box expansion and the implications for calculating probabilities. There are attempts to integrate the wavefunctions over the appropriate limits and to understand the relationship between the old and new states.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various interpretations of the wavefunctions and the integration limits. Some participants express confusion regarding the normalization factors and the correct form of the wavefunctions. Acknowledgment of the sine function's association with odd integers is noted as a breakthrough for one participant.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and constraints of the wavefunctions, particularly regarding their behavior outside the defined limits of the box. Participants are also questioning the assumptions made about the state of the particle after the box expansion.

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Homework Statement



I believe this is a pretty standard question. A particle is initially in the ground state of a box of length L. Suddenly, the box expands symmetrically to twice its size, without disturbing the wavefunction. Show that the probability of finding the particle in the ground state of the new box is (8/(3Pi))^2.

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We're using the box defined (initially) from -L/2.. L/2, and the potential is infinite everywhere outside the box. The ground state wavefunction should be sqrt(2/L)sin(Pi*x/L).

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First I determined how we would renormalize the wavefunction in the new box, which extends from -L to L. So, I integrated \int_{-L}^{L} A^2 sin^2\left(\frac{n \pi x}{2L}\right) dx and got the new wavefunctions to be \sqrt{\frac{1}{L}} sin{\frac{n \pi x}{2L}}.

Now if I understand correctly, the probability of finding the particle in the new ground state is simply the square of the projection of this new state vector onto the old ground state vector. So I then integrated \int_{-L}^{L} \sqrt{\frac{2}{L}} sin\left(\frac{\pi x}{L}\right) \sqrt{\frac{1}{L}} sin\left(\frac{\pi x}{2L}\right) dx = \frac{8 \sqrt{2}}{3 \pi}.

If you square this, it's correct except for the square root of two (which makes my prob. off by a factor of 2!).

The extra \sqrt{2} is driving me crazy! What am I doing wrong?
 
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If it helps, I can see that using the normalization factor sqrt(1/L) for both wavefunctions would produce the correct answer, but I don't understand why I'd tack the new normalization onto my old wavefunction. If someone can explain this I'd be much obliged...
 
quasar_4 said:
Now if I understand correctly, the probability of finding the particle in the new ground state is simply the square of the projection of this new state vector onto the old ground state vector. So I then integrated \int_{-L}^{L} \sqrt{\frac{2}{L}} sin\left(\frac{\pi x}{L}\right) \sqrt{\frac{1}{L}} sin\left(\frac{\pi x}{2L}\right) dx = \frac{8 \sqrt{2}}{3 \pi}.

Do you really want to integrate this from -L to L?...Isn't the particle in the state

\psi(x)=\begin{array}{lr} \sqrt{\frac{2}{L}} sin\left(\frac{\pi x}{L}\right) &, |x|\leq\frac{L}{2} \\ 0 &, |x|>\frac{L}{2}\end{array}
 
I suppose that makes more sense, since the initial state isn't defined past L/2.

The only problem is that that integral would then give me 4/3*pi, which is still off by a factor of 2!
 
Isn't the ground state \sqrt{\frac{2}{L}}\cos\left(\frac{\pi x}{L}\right)[/tex]?
 
Aha!

I always forget that the sine solution goes with the even integers (I tend to associate sine to odd things).

That totally solves my problem; thank you! :-D
 

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