I'm pretty sure these molecules are polar

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The discussion centers around the polarity of certain molecules (CHBr3, CH3Br, CH3Cl, and CHCl3) and the nature of intermolecular forces present in these substances, specifically dipole-dipole interactions versus dispersion forces. Participants explore the implications of molecular symmetry on polarity and the validity of claims made by a professor regarding intermolecular forces.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that CHBr3, CH3Br, CH3Cl, and CHCl3 are polar and question the professor's claim that only dispersion forces are present.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the professor's understanding, suggesting that dipole-dipole interactions should not be negligible compared to dispersion forces.
  • Another participant mentions that chloromethane (CH3Cl) is non-polar due to its symmetrical structure, which cancels out dipole moments, despite the presence of a polar C-Cl bond.
  • A later reply reiterates the point about the professor possibly lacking comfort with the topic, indicating that expertise may vary across different fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the assessment of intermolecular forces in the discussed molecules, with some asserting the presence of significant dipole-dipole interactions while others support the professor's view of dispersion forces being predominant. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of these claims.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of consensus on the definitions and implications of molecular symmetry and polarity, as well as the strength of different types of intermolecular forces. Some assumptions about the professor's expertise and the nature of the molecules are not fully explored.

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Are there not dipole-dipole interactions between CHBr3, CH3Br, CH3Cl, and CHCl3? Assume they are all separate pure substances. My professor today said that the only intermolecular forces present were dispersion forces. Are the dipole attractions negligible due to fact they are too weak?
 
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All these molecules are polar. It's hard for me to see how dipole-dipole interactions would be negligible compared to dispersion forces.
 
That's what I thought. I'll approach her with this next class period. I don't see how someone with a doctorate could miss something so obvious. There must be more to it.
 
There isn't.
 
for example chloromethane is non-polar because it's a symmetrical molecule and its dipole moments cancel each other out...
 
janhaa said:
for example chloromethane is non-polar because it's a symmetrical molecule and its dipole moments cancel each other out...
It has a C3 symmetry axis along the C-Cl bond, but that bond is highly polar. CH3Cl had a dipole moment of 1.9 D.
 
aclark609 said:
I don't see how someone with a doctorate could miss something so obvious.

I've heard PhDs say pretty stupid things!

Depending on her particular field, this might be a subject she is less comfortable with.
 

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