I'm sure there are lots of way to define complexity in different

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The discussion revolves around various definitions and interpretations of complexity in different contexts, including theoretical and applied aspects. Participants explore concepts such as Kolmogorov complexity, time complexity, and parameter complexity, while also hinting at information-theoretic approaches.

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  • Some participants mention multiple ways to define complexity, including minimum description length, time complexity, and parameter complexity.
  • One participant suggests that ideal compression might be the most useful definition, emphasizing the independence from the richness of the language used.
  • Another participant introduces space complexity as a relevant concept, focusing on the minimum space required to compute an answer.
  • There are references to historical figures, such as Cincinnatus and Horatio, which may serve as metaphors for heroism and complexity in decision-making, although their relevance to the main topic is not explicitly connected.

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Participants express various definitions of complexity, but there is no consensus on a singular definition or approach. Multiple competing views remain, and the discussion is unresolved.

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Some definitions may depend on specific contexts or assumptions that are not fully articulated in the discussion. The relationship between different definitions of complexity and their applicability to various fields remains unclear.

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I'm sure there are lots of way to define complexity in different contexts. Some that I've heard of include:

-Minimum description length / Kolmogorov complexity
-time complexity - number of steps to compute
-parameter complexity - number of parameters needed to specify a model.

There are probably many more... Particularly, there must be some interesting information theoretic ways to talk about this. Does anyone here know about this?
 
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i love your handle. does everyone know that he was a roman citizen who accepted a high role in the government,perhaps senator or higher, did an outstanding job, and then simply returned to his farm? what a hero. unheard of today, unless maybe sam ervin counts, or jimmy carter.
 
I think ideal compression is the most useful definition. In ideal compression, you aren't dependent on the richness/versatility of the language used to describe the process. It should be noted, also, that there is a difference in compressing a sample of the output of a process, and encoding the process, itself.
 
Other than space complexity (what is the minimum amount of space needed to computer the answer, not including the input itself) I can't think of anything.

mathwonk said:
i love your handle. does everyone know that he was a roman citizen who accepted a high role in the government,perhaps senator or higher, did an outstanding job, and then simply returned to his farm? what a hero. unheard of today, unless maybe sam ervin counts, or jimmy carter.

I love Cincinnatus, he's one of my favorite ancient Roman heroes. Horatio (Gaius Horatius) is another; he's the quintessential man's man. He holds the way against hundreds of enemy soldiers while his men, from the other side of the bridge, take it down (at his command) to prevent them from sacking his city; when they collapsed the bridge Horatio, trapped on the wrong side and surrounded by hostiles, swims (in armor!) across to his own people. It was the "Superman" comic book of the early days of the Roman Republic.
 

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