Implicit differentiation difficult

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The discussion focuses on finding the second derivative \(y''\) in terms of \(x\) and \(y\) given the first derivative \(y'=\frac{\tan(y)}{1-x\sec^2(y)}\). The correct expression for \(y''\) is derived using the chain rule and involves a complex algebraic manipulation. The final formula for \(y''\) is \(y'' = \frac{\sec^2(y) y' (1 - x\sec^2(y)) - \tan(y) (-\sec^2(y) - x(2) \sec(y) \sec(y) \tan(y) y')}{(1 - x\sec^2(y))^2}\). Users are encouraged to substitute their value for \(y'\) and simplify to verify their results against tools like Wolfram Alpha.

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Given that $y'=\frac{tan(y)}{1-xsec^2(y)}$, find y'' in terms of $x$ and $y$ only.

I've done this and checked my work several times but my answer does not agree with wolfram alpha. Sorry for not posting my work, I am a bit busy at the moment. Can someone show the first couple of lines of work to see if it agrees with mine?

Thanks
 
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Fermat said:
Given that $y'=\frac{tan(y)}{1-xsec^2(y)}$, find y'' in terms of $x$ and $y$ only.

I've done this and checked my work several times but my answer does not agree with wolfram alpha. Sorry for not posting my work, I am a bit busy at the moment. Can someone show the first couple of lines of work to see if it agrees with mine?

Thanks
It's straight-forward Calculus, lots of good chain rule exercise, but somewhat appalling in the Algebra.

[math]y'' = \frac{sec^2(y) y' (1 - x~sec^2(y)) - tan(y) (-sec^2(y) - x(2) sec(y) sec(y)~tan(y) y')}{(1 - x~sec^2(y))^2}[/math]

Plug in your value for y' and simplify.

-Dan
 
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