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The discussion centers around challenges faced by participants in converting units in engineering mathematics, particularly when dealing with complex conversions that involve different unit systems such as SI and Imperial. The scope includes conceptual understanding of unit conversions, practical examples, and mathematical reasoning related to dimensional analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty with unit conversions in engineering, particularly when needing to convert between different units like kilograms per cubic meter to feet.
  • Another participant suggests that a misunderstanding of unit systems (SI and Imperial) could lead to issues in engineering, implying that foundational knowledge is crucial.
  • A different response emphasizes the importance of using conversion factors that equal one, illustrating this with an example of converting yards to centimeters while maintaining unit consistency.
  • One participant stresses the necessity of including units in mathematical formulas to ensure they match or cancel appropriately throughout calculations.
  • Another participant humorously mentions a practice of converting answers to Furlongs per Fortnight in physics when units were not specified, highlighting the importance of clarity in unit designation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of understanding unit conversions and maintaining unit consistency in calculations. However, there are differing views on the specific challenges and approaches to resolving conversion issues, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Some participants reference specific examples and practices that may not be universally applicable, and there is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in unit conversions that may depend on context and specific problems.

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This is just a general cry for help. I've recently begun my actual engineering classes, and we started off with perhaps my weakest subject in mathematics, conversion. I can do fine if it's just meters to feet, or miles per hour to feet per second, but what do you do when you need say an answer in feet, but you have things like kilograms/meters^3, or other extraneous bits and pieces left over?
 
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Tyrion101 said:
This is just a general cry for help. I've recently begun my actual engineering classes, and we started off with perhaps my weakest subject in mathematics, conversion. I can do fine if it's just meters to feet, or miles per hour to feet per second, but what do you do when you need say an answer in feet, but you have things like kilograms/meters^3, or other extraneous bits and pieces left over?
If you want an answer in feet, but you are starting with kg/m3, then you probably got something wrong to start with. :rolleyes:

If you don't thoroughly understand the two major unit systems in use, SI and Imperial, your engineering career will be brief and disappointing. Even assuming you will do most of your course work in SI, there are many derived units contained in that system which the user should thoroughly understand. :wink:
 
Tyrion101 said:
This is just a general cry for help. I've recently begun my actual engineering classes, and we started off with perhaps my weakest subject in mathematics, conversion. I can do fine if it's just meters to feet, or miles per hour to feet per second, but what do you do when you need say an answer in feet, but you have things like kilograms/meters^3, or other extraneous bits and pieces left over?
If your answer should be in units of feet, but you have kg/m3 left over, then you have done something wrong.

A very important concept in converting between two different measurements is that you can always multiply by 1, in some form, to go from one measurement unit to another. Every conversion formula can be used to yield "1" is some form. For example, 1 m. = 39.37 in. If we divide both sides by "m." we get ##1 = 39.37 \frac{in}{m}##. We can also divide the given equation by "in." to get ##\frac{1}{39.37} \frac{m}{in} = 1##.

I can use these ideas to convert 6 yards to the equivalent number of centimeters.

##6 yd = 6 yd * 3 \frac{ft}{yd} * 12 \frac{in}{ft} * \frac{1}{39.37} \frac{m}{in} * 100 \frac{cm}{m}##
In the expression on the right, each factor after the first represents "1" in some form. It's always valid to multiply by 1, as it won't change the underlying value of the thing being multiplied. As you go across the expression on the right, notice that the yd units cancel, the ft units cancel, the in units cancel, and the m units cancel, and we're left with cm units on the right. For the numeric part, just carry out the multiplication: 6 * 3 * 12 * 1/39.37 * 100, which is about 548.64, in units of centimeters.

As a quick sanity check, a yard is about a meter, so 6 yards should about 6 meters, or a little less (a meter is longer than a yard). Our answer of about 549 cm is 5.59 m, so this answer passes the smell test.

Edit: It would be helpful, Tyrion, if you posted a specific example of where you're having trouble, instead of a generalized question.
 
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One point I will make - ALWAYS include the units in the mathematical formula as Mark has done... the Units should match or cancel for every step.

We had a habit of converting all answers to Furlongs per Fortnight in physics if the Prof or TA did not designate the necessary units for an answer ( for a velocity or speed of course)...
 
Windadct said:
One point I will make - ALWAYS include the units in the mathematical formula as Mark has done... the Units should match or cancel for every step.

We had a habit of converting all answers to Furlongs per Fortnight in physics if the Prof or TA did not designate the necessary units for an answer ( for a velocity or speed of course)...
For extra credit, go from Avogadro's number (##\frac{\text{atoms}}{\text{mole}}##) to ##\frac{\text{electrons}}{\text{pint}}##o0)
 

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