Improving chances for Theo. Phys. graduate studies ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the considerations and strategies for gaining admission to graduate programs in Theoretical Physics. Participants explore the necessity of a double major in Physics and Mathematics, the importance of coursework, research experience, and networking in the application process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a double major in Physics and Mathematics is necessary for admission to top Theoretical Physics graduate programs, expressing concern about the competitiveness of such programs.
  • Another participant suggests that while a double major is not required, taking challenging mathematics courses and achieving good grades in them is beneficial for applications.
  • Emphasis is placed on the importance of undergraduate research experience and obtaining strong reference letters as critical components of a successful application.
  • Specializing in a particular area of theoretical physics, such as astrophysics or condensed matter, is recommended to enhance one's profile for graduate school.
  • Computer programming skills are noted as increasingly relevant in the field of theoretical physics, which could improve job prospects post-Ph.D.
  • Concerns are raised about the low odds of securing a professorship after completing a Ph.D. in physics, although industry job opportunities for physics Ph.D.s are acknowledged as more plentiful.
  • Networking with professors and researching specific graduate programs' topics of interest is advised as a strategy for improving admission chances.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a double major is not strictly necessary, but there are differing opinions on the value of such a degree versus taking advanced mathematics courses. The discussion reflects a range of strategies and considerations without reaching a consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying assumptions about the competitiveness of graduate programs and the role of specific coursework and experiences in admissions decisions. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of these factors.

Who May Find This Useful

Undergraduate students considering graduate studies in Theoretical Physics, those seeking advice on academic preparation, and individuals interested in the application process for competitive graduate programs.

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First of all, I want to apologize in advance for contributing to the pollution of the forums by the "I want to be a Theoretical physicist...but how?" type threads. Honestly, I thoroughly searched for an answer to my question, but was unsuccessful in finding direct answers. With broad key-words such as "Theoretical", "Physics", "Mathematics", and "Graduate School", it proved to be a very exhausting task sifting through the countless results.

I am currently an undergraduate student at a large (but not well known for physics) university. Once I complete my undergrad studies (few years down the road), I would like to attend a graduate school to pursue a higher degree in Theoretical Physics. I have heard that Theo. Phys. graduate programs are competitive to get into (more-so than many experimental), and obviously Theo. Phys. requires a deep, broad understanding of mathematics. So my question(s) is this: Is a double major in Physics and Mathematics necessary to being accepted to study Theo. Phys. at a top graduate institution (as opposed to only a Physics BS)? Would a double major in Physics and Mathematics greatly increase my chances? If so, is it worth taking an extra year as an undergrad to complete the joint degree?

Again, sorry if this question has been beat to death. I appreciate everyone's comments in advance.

-FP
 
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No you don't need a double major in physics/math but you should take your electives with the hardest math courses that you can find. Getting a 'B' is a really tough math course will improve your chances than getting an 'A' in an easy one.

However besides tough classes the two big things that you should do are:

1) undergraduate research. If your university has an undergraduate research program use it. This will also help you get good reference letters.

2) some amount of specialization. Taking courses that specialize in one type of theoretical physics (say astrophysics or condensed matter) will help you a lot.

3) Computer skills will also help a lot. Much of current theoretical physics consists of a lot of computer programming.

Also theoretical physics universities are tough to get into but they aren't horrifically bad. The reason for this is that most universities need large numbers of teaching and research assistants so this means that there are lots of openings. Unfortunately, this doesn't extend to after graduate school. Your odds of getting a physics professorship are extremely low, but there are a lot of jobs available in industry for people with physics Ph.D.'s.
 
Twofish, thanks for the reply and additional advice! I'm glad it is possible to get into a well-ranked theoretical physics graduate program (granted, one possesses all other qualifications) without a duel mathematics degree. Otherwise, it would take me two extra semesters (at the LEAST) to achieve it. I guess I was just concerned that the top schools either wouldn't or rarely, accept graduate applicants for Theory without the additional mathematics degree.

Fortunately, I still have a ways to go to complete my Physics BS, so that will give me plenty of opportunities to take some advanced mathematics courses (as well as theoretical research).

-FP
 
Also if you have a particular set of schools that you are interested in, you should go to their website and look at what their research topics are. If you have any chances to network with the professors there, do it (i.e. attending conferences, etc.) You should also look at grad schools that have research programs on topics you are interested in, and those may not be the obvious big names.

One other thing about physics is that it tends to be somewhat less brand-conscious than most other fields. Even the branding tends to be professor-centric. What matters is who your dissertation advisor is, and what research groups you've been part of, and those aren't necessarily in the big name schools.
 

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