Impulse of a Ball - Greatest Change in Momentum

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The discussion revolves around the concept of impulse and momentum in the context of a tennis player throwing a ball against a wall. Participants are exploring which scenario—throwing, bouncing, or catching the ball—results in the greatest change in momentum.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants analyze the changes in momentum for each scenario, with one suggesting that the bounce results in the greatest change due to the reversal of velocity. Others provide mathematical reasoning to support this view, comparing it to the changes in momentum when the ball is thrown or caught.

Discussion Status

There is a productive exchange of ideas, with participants confirming each other's reasoning regarding the bounce having the greatest change in momentum. Some participants are also questioning the initial conditions for the throw scenario, indicating a deeper exploration of the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions about kinetic energy loss are mentioned, but participants note that this does not affect their reasoning regarding momentum changes. There is an implicit understanding that the discussion is framed within the constraints of a homework assignment.

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Homework Statement



If a tennis player were to throw his ball against a wall, which impulse would be the greatest? The throw, the bounce, or the catch?

Homework Equations



I = F * t
P = m * v

The Attempt at a Solution



I believe the bounce is the greatest, as it has the greatest change in momentum, but I can't explain my thought...
 
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yes you are right. bounce has the greatest change in momentum. let's say that velocity before the impact is [tex]\vec{v}[/tex] , then velocity after the bounce would be
[tex]-\vec{v}[/tex]. so initial momentum is [tex]m\vec{v}[/tex] and final momentum is
[tex]-m\vec{v}[/tex]. so the change in momentum would be [tex]-m\vec{v}-m\vec{v}[/tex] which is [tex]-2m\vec{v}[/tex]. but when the ball is caught, final momentum is zero, so the change in momentum is [tex]0-m\vec{v}[/tex] which is [tex]-m\vec{v}[/tex]
same argument can be made for the case when the the ball is thrown.

Edit: I am assuming above that the kinetic energy is not lost. Even if the kinetic energy is lost, the reasoning is not affected.
 
IssacNewton said:
yes you are right. bounce has the greatest change in momentum. let's say that velocity before the impact is [tex]\vec{v}[/tex] , then velocity after the bounce would be
[tex]-\vec{v}[/tex]. so initial momentum is [tex]m\vec{v}[/tex] and final momentum is
[tex]-m\vec{v}[/tex]. so the change in momentum would be [tex]-m\vec{v}-m\vec{v}[/tex] which is [tex]-2m\vec{v}[/tex]. but when the ball is caught, final momentum is zero, so the change in momentum is [tex]0-m\vec{v}[/tex] which is [tex]-m\vec{v}[/tex]
same argument can be made for the case when the the ball is thrown.

Edit: I am assuming above that the kinetic energy is not lost. Even if the kinetic energy is lost, the reasoning is not affected.

Hey! Thanks for the reply! It makes sense, and I assume when the ball is thrown it is the reverse? The initial momentum is zero?

Thank you!
 
yes, when the ball is thrown, the initial momentum is zero. and final momentum is
[tex]m\vec{v}[/tex] so the change in momentum is [tex]m\vec{v}[/tex] which is a smaller change in absolute terms than in the case of bouncing ball.
 

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